What happens when Revival, Riots and Courageous Christians Collide?

Lance: I want you to experience the Asbury Revival, this wave of great awakening. I did a special interview with a man of God who immersed himself for two or three days right there in that environment and then I got a hold of him. I said, talk to me about what happened. He said, he could and for a while, he couldn’t even discuss it. He was so shaken but there’s a spirit on him, an anointing, and kind of a something of an impartation that comes through the conversation with Pastor Richard Jones that I want you to get. He was not only in the Asbury Revival during its point where it transitioned from like 144 hours to more than that. But he’s also part of the Ferguson, Missouri, and Saint Louis area where the pastor who had worked with who had confronted these 4-armed robbers that came into his church and in the spirit basically, he overpowered the situation. 

He talks about what happened there and how it’s prophetically significant that this is the same place in Ferguson. That area where so many riots had taken place and how God is revealing something about how he’s reversing the authority of hell by the power of the church rising up in a new direction. I just want you to catch the whole broadcast. You don’t want to miss it. By the way, if you are interested in knowing the blueprint for where this awakening is going, there is a prophetic few coming together of the churches that will move on with awakening. The marketplace and political leaders that are moving on with the awakening and the prophetic community that is struggling but finding its sound right now. The prophets, the civic, the sacred, merging together is a gathering of the dangerous. Kim Clement prophesied to me. There would be a gathering of the dangerous and I want you to hear this special message. “Lancewallnau.com/gathering”. Go grab it now.

It’s hard to believe that it’s that time again. The days are flying by so fast. It’s got to be the last days because time is moving faster than I think than we are. So, today, I want to talk about revival. Wanna talk about what God is doing but I want to talk about the incredible testimony once again of what happened with this pastor with four-armed robbers that came into his church,but really was going on Holy Ghost territory. And he just approached it with the kind of aggression but civility that took charge of the atmosphere. I’m interested in covering both those stories with a friend of mine Pastor Richard Jones from Saint Louis. Welcome to the Lance Wallnau Show, Richard. Good to see you.

Pastor Richard Jones: Good to see you too, Lance.

Lance: And let me ask you a question. Yeah, you got a beard. You’re an artist. Folks that are in the podcast. You can’t see this but you look like you could be in the Jesus Revolution movie. How did you come into the kingdom? I just watched the movie last night. Did you come in?

Pastor Richard Jones: My mother pointed out; I was not raised in a Christian home but my mother pointed out to me that she actually got saved in that time frame in that movement.

Lance: Your mom got saved in the hippie Jesus movement.

Pastor Richard Jones: Yeah.

Lance: Well, that explains a little bit of your Avant Guard artistic and revival flare. Now, you tell me about your you’re in Saint Louis, but you are like one of those tornado chaser friends of mine who if there’s a revival, you will go check it out and somehow, you got of that youth revival over there in Asbury. Give me the insider’s perspective because it shut down by the time I got there and so tell me about what you saw?

Pastor Richard Jones: Lance, be honest with you, I’m still unpacking it. The short answer toyour question and I even told my church when I came back. I said, listen, I’m not released yet to even talk about what I saw and because I felt like I had some words to say about that before I said it but to answer your question, Lance it was the purest most holy thing that I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen anything like it. And so, I don’t know the university president but God just in the midst of that crowd we turned around and we bumped into each other. And we had like a 10-minute conversation Doctor Kevin. And he never introduced himself. And when you see him get up in the middle of the revival. He would just say hi my name’s Kevin. I work Asbury. That thing was being stewarded and in that 10-minute conversation, I told and I said, “Listen, there’s nothing more precious than the presence of the Holy Spirit”. And I don’t know how to say this,but I got to tell you that almost more valuable to me was the way that they stewarded the thing.

Their guard over it and I’m still trying to unpack that. It was the purest, most holy thing that I’ve seen. There, the fear of God, the holiness of God. There was this awe that this was the beginning of something and that we really didn’t even understand what we saw unfold those two weeks.

Lance: The Fear of God, the awe of God, the holiness of God, for those that are listening, what we’re talking about is you stepped into, it’s kind of like if you walk into a refrigerated environment. Like I go to Costco or something and when I go into the back room, there’s this rooms where the air conditioners are refrigeration quality and you’re freezing. Because you’re walking around frozen food and the atmosphere is different. What I’m trying to do is reach out to a podcast audience and say what we that are in ministry that have been doing this for 40 years. I’ve been in anointed meetings. I’ve known what it’s like to have the anointing army. I know what it’s like to have an army so strong that it’s almost physiologically hard to come down from it because you’re in an altered state. And yet I can tell you, there’s only a few times I’ve been in an environment where it wasn’t in me. Me was in an environment and it’s a little different. If something you’re experiencing is revival. That’s one level of, we’ve all been to a meeting where people laid hands on us and the power of God or electricity might have touched us but it’s different. When you go in as an observer into the refrigeration unit or into the hot room and the atmosphere is different than you are and you’re observing it and you’re realizing that atmosphere is permeating into you. It’s not coming from the inside out.

Something from the outside is working on you and you would describe it as awe as holiness and it’s different, did it affect you as soon as you walked in or while you’re out in the street coming in or because you’re used to this to a little bit. I mean, you’re a tornado seeker. So, you’re looking for this all the time. So, talk to me about that.

Pastor Richard Jones: That’s an amazing analogy that that you just gave. Listen, when I walked on the property, I did a quick Facebook Live on the steps of Hughes Chapel and the Holy Spirit came on me so heavy. At some point, they physically saw the Change on me. But I told them I’m stepping into this room and I don’t know if you guys will hear from me for the rest of time I’m here. Now I didn’t do any more lives after that. I did take some pictures. I did some short videos because that’s what they were asking people to do. They were saying please don’t live stream inside. If you want to take a video, keep it under three minutes. Take some pictures that’s fine.Just don’t be intrusive. So, it’s funny that you say that you you’re helping me understand what happened to me there because so I did a Facebook Live. I shut everything down. I went in there and I had this overwhelming for me personally. Overwhelming sense not to even try to go in and sit on the main floor. I wanted to go up to the balcony. I wanted to find a corner. And that’s as I went straight to the balcony. Boom. I saw somebody that I knew.

They pointed out my friend Rick Curry who was sitting across over there and Rick was the one who told me about this the very first day. Rick was there within the first 12 hours. A faculty absolutely called him from Asbury said, “My God Rick, you’re contending for this. We think it’s opening. We don’t know”. He was there about 12:40 AM that same day. I saw Rick and so I whistle all the way around there to Rick and he had one seat in front of him. On the balcony all the way at the end and it was the perfect spot. Because I was sitting over the stage there, so I could see everything but it was the most hidden place to be. That’s where my heart was. I wanted to be there in the middle of it and I wanted to be hidden.

Lance: Wow. You were there for 3 days?

Pastor Richard Jones: Yes sir. Yep.

Lance: And how many?

Pastor Richard Jones: Tuesday and Wednesday and Wednesday was actually the week anniversary. Wednesday was when they broke the 1970 record of 144 hours. That’s when they went past 144 hours. And then I left Thursday morning to go minister in Asheville, North Carolina. I went back to Saint Louis and today I’m in Terre Haute, Indiana for another conference in another gathering.

Lance: So, give me because I think our audience and I are both interested in. Give me the typical, sounds terrible. What was the schedule? The show run is what they call it in media but what was so what would be the typical breakdown of what happens over a 2-hour period at Asbury? What is going on?

Pastor Richard Jones: So, from any, alright, I’ll answer it two ways. They did have a schedule. They said, okay, meeting starts at 10, meeting starts at 7 but if they had not Told you that? You would know. And so, within a 2-hour period, you could not tell any transition from 2 hours. You think of the model of like the IHOP prayer movement that birthed out of Kansas City. That was their model, two hours since. But you could tell, at the end of 2 hours it kind of wane then there’d be a transition and then we’d go for another 2 hours. You couldn’t tell that at Asbury. I’m telling you; it was just nonstop. Nonstop. I mean people would get up. They’d have people read scriptures. They’d have people give a short testimony. There was some ebb and flow and there was an opportunity.

Lance: Alright, give me a short give me a short testimony, such as.

Pastor Richard Jones: Well, I don’t know if you saw this but there was, they had a young student come up and he was a Brazilian student and he gave us testimony. And he talked about how that God rocked his world and he didn’t even want to leave that place. But then he persisted in his testimony. And he said that like he’d actually graduated already in spring time. But God‘s calling back to Brazil. But he just didn’t have the finances there and he’s been looking for a job and he has no luck finding a job. And so, but that cleared the schedule so he could be there 24hours. And Lance at that moment before he was done, I mean I started shaking. This scared me. But the Holy Spirit told me, get in your wallet. Grab the biggest piece of money.

Now listen. I told you I was sitting. I was trying to hide out. The Lord said, take that money out and when he’s done with when there’s, they’re trying to bring up the next student. He said, yell out at the man and tell him this money is for him and throw him some money. Listen, I wasn’t in a Kenneth Copeland meeting. I was in the Methodist Seminary Chapel and my friend recurring behind me, he said, “My God, Richard, when you started yelling, I’d turn to my wife and I said, hey, I’m about to get up and disown Richard right now”. But when I took that money, I yelled and I said, hey, bro but he didn’t hear me everybody else heard me. I had to yell again, I yelled three times, hey bro. he turned around and he looked at me and I raised my fist I said this is for you and I threw that money. It cleared the grand piano and hit the ground. He reached over and he grabbed it and when he did Lance, money started being thrown out all over the chapel. Started cascading off of the balcony.

People in the audience began to run up and throw money at this man, and we heard the next day that that guy who was financially strapped, had a need and needed to get back to Brazil that Godhad blessed him with over $6,000. Then no one knew the final account then, but our mutual friend pastor Clady Keith, Rick Curry texted him. He goes, oh my God, you wouldn’t believe what Richard just did and Clady Keith was there the day before and he said, “Rick, when I was sitting in the balcony with you just the day before, I had an open vision where I saw money cascading and coming off of the balcony in that room”. Now you can go to Rick Curry. Rick Curry’s got a great a video of that.

Lance: Oh really? He’s got a video.

Pastor Richard Jones: So, because well I mean he noticed what God was doing. Then he jumped up and he started recording.

Lance: Suddenly, he went from disowning you to getting a recording of it.

Pastor Richard Jones: Hey listen. Listen I turned around and said Rick I get it. I wanted to disown myself. But it again that was that that all that that that fear. And this that this is a catalyst of something that we can’t yet define. Rick Curry it said this too. He said at the beginning of these outpourings no one knew that they were an outpourings. But it affected the next 50 years, the next 100 years.

Lance: Well, where is, they had to discontinue it and I and I’m kind of sympathetic in one way with the fact that hey how much can you, if you got 50,000 people showing up and you can only fit so many in the room. What are you going to do? Make people leave and rotate them out. I mean they did have some logistical problems in an elevator having a conference. But still, I mean I don’t know that I would’ve made a decision not to keep it going because it’s a sovereign move of God. Where, well are the meetings continuing another with the same atmosphere?

Pastor Richard Jones: Well, I can tell you from that perspective, they didn’t shut anything down or stop anything. They felt it was a natural progression to send this out and to shift and again, I have more of an awe and respect for how that they have chosen to steward this. Almost to the physical presence of the spirit of God. I don’t know how to process that because it sounds insulting that hey, glad you showed up Holy Ghost but my God, look at how these guys managed it. So, this is in the Lexington area. So actually, for Sunday for that weekend when they were shut down that actually they just kind of shifted it. They were in a stadium there in Lexington. They pinpointed other locations that logistically could handle the crowd. And of course, Pastor Clady Keith there in Florence Kentucky. I mean they had a blowout. And Rick Curry is, I mean he’s on fire. I think he’s in Dallas right now. If not, he’ll be there this weekend.

Lance: Talk to me more about, you were also I was discussing this Missouri church that foils armed robbery when former police officer is opposed a pastor and former police officer, sees 4gunmen comes in. Those of you that missed the story. Marquelo Futrell, a former Saint Louis police officer was in the middle of a Sunday service at All Creation Northview Holiness Family Church. Here’s a mouthful in Ferguson, Missouri. When the group walked in wearing masks, noticing the young men had guns in their waistbands. The pastor used divine intervention and policing instincts to intervene, surround the young men kind of without threatening them, get permission to lay hands on and pray for them, and basically immobilize what was going on and he wasn’t like even acting nervous about it. He’s just saying, you’re on Holy Ghost Turf now and whatever Satan was planning, God just changed the plot, the script.

Pastor Richard Jones: Yeah.

Lance: And who sent you here? And talk to me, he says and it’s kind of interesting. They somehow the Lion Tamer with the Lions was there and the Holy Spirit immobilized everything,but you brought up an interesting point. So, share your perspective on this Ferguson update.

Pastor Richard Jones: Well, when I first texted you, I saw you at report the story. He kept saying, Missouri Church, Missouri Church. So, that’s why I text you and listen, they said that this is in the Saint Louis area and where I’m from and so I want to tell you how some of us are looking at this. Now first of all, I don’t know Pastor Marquelo personally. We have some mutual friends. They did give me his number I’ve reached out to him, but as you can imagine his voicemail is full. So, if I’m going to hunt this brother down, because I know exactly where his church is, I know exactly the area. And for those who don’t remember, years ago in 2014 that Ferguson is like a little municipality in the Greater Saint Louis metro area. So, we consider it Saint Louis, but you could be driving up the interstate and you’re crossing actually in the little municipalities.

So, this municipality, Ferguson is in North Metro area, but it’s the place where Michael Brown was shot in 2014, which kicked off all of the riots in Saint Louis and the entire world was focused on Saint Louis. Actually, some people didn’t know it’s Saint Louis because they kept saying Ferguson, Ferguson, Ferguson, Ferguson and the entire world was focused on satanic workings and destruction that was coming out of Ferguson and if you remember 2014-2015 how this thing cascaded in other cities. This is the George Floyd up north of there, and the other cities that were just lit on fire. It was the spirit of the antichrist. And so, what we’re seeing here how we’re looking at it is my God. This is redemption and the spirit of God is moving. Now this happened Lance a couple weeks ago. The outpouring that hit at Asbury was a couple weeks ago. So, this simple act of this pastor who was clearly under the anointing.

Now he wasn’t scared because he was under the anointing and he announced when he walked forward, he told these guys at one point he goes, listen, I still got that cop’s anointing. So, it’s almost like you’re teaching on the king anointing and the priest anointing, here he was pastor and he still had that cop anointing and both of them were married there. And so, but what we’re seeing is now the world is focusing on an act of God that has risen up out of Ferguson. And so,that and he said, it talked about wisdom. Talk about how the guy handled this. When he saw, he knew what was going on. He knew it by the Holy Ghost and he also knew it by situational awareness. His cop training. And he whispered to an assistant. He goes, “You locked the doors”?He said, “You call the cops”. And then he told his media team. He said, he sent a word to them.He goes, “Turn the cameras on them”. And all four of them had guns but in the middle of ministering to them one of the guys yeah, I mean the Holy Ghost just arrested these guys. One of the guys took his gun and dropped it right then. I mean he was getting rid of the evidence.

Another young man raised his hands during prayer. I mean the holy ghost got him and when he raised his hand it showed a tattoo which identified him as a robber who just two hours before had robbed a local liquor store. And so, I mean this thing unfolding you know all over. And now the world has seen what the anointing could do when the world came to look to see what the spirit of Antichrist could do in 2014.

Lance: And what our tribe is all about is so redemptive that nothing would make us happier than to see those young men actually be like Saul of Tarsus and say, I’ve had an Encounter. It’s going to change my life. Guess what we’re all about. We’re not surprised that the depravity of human behavior. We’re kind of like Christianity if people understood it is built to handle the contradiction of, I remember when Weinstein was being vilified and everybody was jumping on him. I said, what a great opportunity for someone to reach out to him and say, hey, here’s a group that actually when everyone else is disowning you, you finally got a group that are your friends and we’re here for you buddy. We understand and we want to help you during this time.

Pastor Richard Jones: Pastor, Pastor Marquelo he actually prophesied at the end of all of this and they counted him praying. He prophesied. Induce church and everybody was in agreement. He said, I’m going to believe no matter what the devil intended today. He goes, I’m going to believe that these young men walk out of here and they’re never ever going to be the same the rest of their life. Exactly what you just said.

Lance: And the part of the idea you’re reminding me of something I forgot and that is that territory can belong to God, Asbury Chapel. Where if you walked in there, it’s kind of like in the Old Testament when Saul came among the prophets and fell down and stripped his clothes off and started prophesying and they said, is Saul among the prophets. Well, he came into like a Shalom zone where God had decreed something and it took him over. Those young men if you see in the spirit imagine it’s like a chick track like one of those jack chick tracks. You got demons whispered in the air hey let’s go rob the church let’s go wait for the offering as soon as they take the offering let’s take the guns out, we’ll run out with the offering, they won’t know what hit him.And he walks in and runs into a not what they thought was going to be some woke weak pastor is going to accommodate a church robbery. But an ex-cop pastor who takes his authority, theywalked into the zone where the angels stripped the demons of the agenda.

Pastor Richard Jones: It was how you described him the other day. You said, this church pastored by an alpha male. But did you see the interview? He actually when he was confronting that, he declared to the entire sanctuary. He goes, this is what happens when you illegally trespass.

Lance: Yeah exactly. You stepped into my territory. Now you’re in my house. And I think that that’s something about the house of God. Now think about that, folks. When the devil comes in to the house of God, he is in, you know what an embassy is? We’re called ambassadors of Christ. An embassy is territory that doesn’t belong to the host government. They could kick you out. But when your embassy is in that territory inside of that boundary, your government actually owns what’s happening. And they can’t come in without permission. They’re trespassing on your own territory. So, the Chinese embassy is owned by China. The Russian embassy is owned by Russia. Now if you want to go to war you can kick the ambassadors but as long as that property is there, the church is the heavenly holy ghost embassy in the devil’s territory and the devil doesn’t have authority in the embassy.

So, and I think you can take your business and you can anoint it and say this business is my Asbury Chapel. This business is my Holy Ghost Church. This belongs to Jesus and the idea that there was a pastor and former policeman means it’s the Melchizedek priesthood. It’s emerging of the priestly anointing of the church with the secular anointing of the governor. And when you put the two together whether it’s Zerubbabel and Joshua building the house of God in Jerusalem,when Haggai prophesied and Cyrus came into power or whether it’s Ezra and Nehemiah. I mean, I have to wrestle in my brain to even remember these things because they’re all types of how the governing anointing of the New Testament Church is not just limited to a sanctuary and the next life. It’s going to expand to cover the whole earth eventually a confrontation between two systems and eventually Jesus takes over all systems. That’s got to be your mentality or you’re hiding out and confused. I want to thank you very much. How do people get in touch with you Pastor? Tell us more about your church. We’re in the last couple of minutes on our broadcast.

Pastor Richard Jones: Listen, we’ve always been engaged in Downtown Ministry. There’s a website there. You can find me on social media. I’m on Facebook. I’m on TikTok. I’m on Instagram. You can just use all the same information at Richard Jones, God‘s House, God‘s House Saint Louis. We’re not hard to find so.

Lance: “God‘sHouseSaintLouis.com”. All of you that are listening by podcast. This is Pastor Richard Jones goes by Richard Jones. Find him. Wherever social media is. And he’ll stand out because he looks like he’s got. You still have your beard photo and all of your social?

Pastor Richard Jones: No, no, no, no, no, this is a fresh up one, so.

Lance: Oh, okay. It’s a new look. So, don’t go by my description.

Pastor Richard Jones: I promise. Within this next month, we’ll update all of that stuff so. Alright. Thanks for the update.

Lance: Alright. Thanks for update.

Pastor Richard Jones: Thank you, Lance. Thank you, sir for having me on. It’s been a pleasure.

Lance: Hey, man.

Pastor Richard Jones: I appreciate everything you do.

Lance: I love those spontaneous conversations. They sometimes are so blessed and I think this was very anointed. So, God bless you. Thank you, Pastor Richard Jones. You guys got to keep in touch. These people are the salt of the earth. And they need to be heard because this revival in Asbury that he was in, I just could sense there’s a quality of the lingering of that that is on him. That it’s just you really feel and sense that revival is a contagion. You look at the COVID era was the era when they were socially distancing and they were worrying about super spreader events. Well, the exact metaphor it works for revival. It is an environmental thing. It’s contagious. You could get around people that have it. It’ll get on you. If you don’t socially distance before you know it, you’re under the same atmospheric influence that they’re under. And I heard John Wimber describing this in an old video. He said, from best he could see it. That a fire, Holy Ghost fire works by combustion of an object sucking in the oxygen sucking and it takes oxygen to feed a fire. You’ll see this kind of like this circling of energy and winds forming, because the fire is sucking in oxygen that feeds the combustion process. He said, what happens is in revival it sucks in the hungry the seeker and then it starts to suck in the backslidden and the prodigal. And the person who belongs in church but isn’t in church and they get sucked back in. And here’s what Wimber said. He said, what happens when they’re sucked in is they’re pulled out of the orbit of where they were out there with their partying friends and this and that and they want to know what’s happening. And then the fire sucks in those that never have been involved with church.

So, I thought what an interesting metaphor for what fire looks like and what may be potentially happening here. I want to thank all of you for being supporters of the work that we do. Today’s Podcast and is part of, I’m going to give you guys something you could do that will expand your participation in the ongoing battle in America. It’s going to be a particular teaching I just did that I haven’t put out there very often. I’m going to do it right now. It’s called The Gathering of the Dangerous. The title I learned from Kim Clement when I travel with the prophet Kim Clement.Basically, we would talk about how he heard the devil describing showing up that were dangerous to his agenda and we always think about people that are on the enemy’s side that are dangerous that we always worry about what they’re up to in the Davos, World Economic Forum and blah blah blah.

Well, the devil has to worry about you. You are what he worries about. He worries about you gathering, the Gathering of the Dangerous who wants you to get up the teaching on who are the dangerous ones Satan’s worried about. It’s a collaboration between the prophetic, the secular, civic, and the sacred. It’s going to be prophets and marketplace and government leaders that are coming together for a divine collaboration a holy ghost rebellion against the system. You can get it “Lancewallnau.com/gathering”. I preach this when I was with Mario Murillo at the fire of a tent crusade and I think the anointing is on it. It’ll hit you like it hit me.“Lancewallnau.com/gathering for The Gathering of the Dangerous and we look forward to seeing you again tomorrow.

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