The Transformative Power of Knowing Your Redemptive Gifts

Lance: One of the most exciting pieces of insight you’ll ever get from the Bible is going to be your own redemptive gifts. Do you know that you have been supernaturally gifted by God with one of seven supernatural wiring acumens into your very personality? It’s listed in Romans 12. And the Bible says, “Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us let’s exercise them accordingly.” We have an expert on the show that it’s going to talk about the seven redemptive gifts and how they actually transform your life. One you discern what they are. You’ll have a whole new appreciation of the unique way that God has gifted you to do what you’re called to do. You don’t want to miss today’s broadcast. Get your Bible because we’re going to dig in to Romans 12 with Nick Tri and Kim Corden. 

Welcome today to this very special broadcast of the Lance Wallnau Show. I have my O Boy, OBoy mug, drinking my O Boy coffee because this is going to be an oh boy broadcast. Listen I’ve got some friends of mine that I’ve been working with for years and they finally came over to the United States at a time when well really they help pray the studio in. So, they’re friends of mine that are unique consultants. They’re prophetic consultants but it’s kind of difficult to describe exactly what you do. But Kim Corden is with us over in this corner right here who has been Light Line is the “Lightline.net” is the name of the company.

A division of Tri Solutions and this is Nick Tri. Nicholas Tri is the Tri and his last name is Tri which is why I love this company, Tri Solutions. They basically can work on consulting problem solving for a variety of challenges whether it’s a business, a company, a church, a family, and between the prophetic and the intercessory and the practical seals they’ve got. They provide a very interesting kind of way of helping people develop their vision, develop their business. And it was you’re Arthur Burke. Nick, you’re talking to me about Arthur Burke. Did I say you’re from the UK? Because they’re going to figure it out. As soon as you start talking, you’re going to hear the accent.

But that that you got me turned on to Arthur Burke’s redemptive gifts. So much so that on page 64 & 65, I had to put it into the work I was doing on what God‘s doing in nations because in the book Romans. If you get your Bible, grab a Bible. It’s an unusual broadcast here. We’re going to be looking at how the Bible insight provides solutions to all problems. And one of the chapters here chapter 12 of the book of Romans deals with these redemptive gifts and they’re not really taught enough. I mean, I’ve seen so many people fascinated with enneagrams and stuff like that. Well, there’s a legitimacy to that but this is even more legitimate. We should take a look at it and I wrote about the gifts of nations.

You sent me some data from Arthur Burke that nations have certain redemptive gifts. Individuals have redemptive gifts. We’re talk about those seven or so redemptive gifts in a moment. But the UK let’s see England. Is England listening here? Oh United Kingdom, yes a ruler gift so now.And of course, but if you break that up its Ireland and Wales and Scotland and England. So,really it’s four it’s which makes sense that it’s ruling because you got these four countries that are all working together. But the United States is what we have for the redemptive gift which is a characteristic of collectively. What kind of a role does a nation play in history? And the United States is prophet.

So, you have to explain to me a little bit about what prophet is. What ruler is? But I mean let’s face it. We have, give me another nation here. Germany is a prophet. France is an exhorter. Philippines. I’m always working with the Philippines. Giver, that’s curious. I thought that would have been more servant because so much hospitality and service that comes to that. So, let’s talk about these redemptive gifts of individuals and how they could be redemptive gifts of nations. And we find that if you got a Bible it’s in Romans chapter 12 and Paul says here, “Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us each of us is to exercise them accordingly. If prophecy according to the proportion of his faith, right.” Romans 7 verse 6.

Verse 7 says, “If service in serving or he who teaches in teaching or he who exhorts an exhortation or he who gives with liberality, he who leads diligence and he who shows mercy with cheerfulness.” And we got limited time to go into this Nick and I want to be able to also talk to Kim about what you guys do in different stories of supernatural solutions to problems. But you really got my attention this week on because you really focus on this on these redemptive gifts. Why is this such an interest to you?

Nick Tri: Well, it’s the reason that it’s so interesting to me is that the redemptive gifts are like seven different operating systems. And we see that God has created these seven operating systems. So, like we have the iPhone operating system, Android, Windows. He has seven distinct operating systems that we see and we use the redemptive gifts as a label to refer them. The power in it is that if you can learn the distinctive characteristics of each one of those, then youknow the potential and if you can find someone and identify which one of those there are. You know the treasure that God has put in them by design before they were born and you can help work with him to language it, draw it out so that they can be powerful and part the part of God‘s assignment in changing the world to look like heaven.

Lance: So, when you and just a little bit of background, I don’t know how much we’re allowed to talk about here but you actually in your engineering in your background, right. You have design like systems, haven’t you?

Nick Tri: Absolutely. Yes. I have physics and electronics in university and then 20 years in building equipment for military aircraft.

Lance: Equipment for military aircraft which is a nice way of saying that he helps to design a lot of the missiles and things that have to function in order to find a trajectory and hit a target. So, it’s interesting that you’re using that same skill now to look at the operating system for believers.

Nick Tri: Yes, absolutely.

Lance: And so when you’re saying that when you’re with somebody, one of the lenses that you use and just it’s a great concept. It’s like he we were talking about different lenses you put on to solve a problem. Some people are stuck with just one set of lenses. But if you can rotate and use different tools, redemptive gifts being one, then you can actually analyze a person or a situation or even a conflict between people based upon the different operating system, how they see things, right?

Nick Tri: Absolutely. So, if you’ve worked with computers and used to be a problem when a PC had to transfer a file to a Mac, there was a problem because they spoke different languages. And that could be exactly the same thing in personal relationships or even in mergers and acquisitions because we see organizations can have their own redemptive gift typically comes from the founder. So, if you get a merger or an acquisition where there’s a mismatch and the management the leadership aren’t sensitive to those different cultures. It can go horribly wrong.

Lance: So people might be attracted to people that are like themselves. So if they’re like a ruler type organization and they meet up with another organization’s culture may be what?

Nick Tri: Servants.

Lance: Servant. Then you have a little bit of distrust going on between the two because the two world views are like really not compatible and yet they could be if they understood each other.

Nick Tri: Absolutely. So if you’ve got a leader who can appreciate the dynamics of those different operating systems and harness both of them, it can be extremely powerful. But if you’ve got someone who just has a single mindset, they can stamp out the life that made one of parties what it was.

Lance: See that’s why I want to start with this and Kimmy as you’re listening to this, how does this play into the work that you guys do this this body of knowledge.

Kim Corden: I think when you know what someone’s redemptive gift is,, you know how best to help them to nurture them to pray for them and to really coach them into allowing themselves to see every aspect of redemptive gifts. I remember you said years ago that every strength overused a weakness. And when you have a strong redemptive gift it can be a great asset but if you don’t know the points where you could overpower others or even stamp on others, then it can cause a lot of damage. So when we identify someone’s redemptive gift, we can pray more clearly and with more strategy for their businesses, their churches or whatever it is we’re working with. It is an amazing revelation Lance.

Lance: Well, it sounds that way at all. So, now we got Mercedes over there. Mercedes is sitting over there on the producer’s table. I put her over there. She wasn’t going to be in the broadcast.

Mercedes: I feel like this is the penalty box though. Doesn’t it feel like a penalty box? Like I’m in time out.

Lance: Yeah, and it doesn’t it is like a timeout box over there. So, what do we know about Mercedes? Have you had a chance to look at her redemptive gift yet? Have you ever sense?

Nick Tri: Well, I do you see. There is one of the redemptive gifts, the redemptive gift of ruler is really good at optimizing the use of resources to get the job done. So, whether it’s financial or people or other resources. So, when I look at Mercedes, I see someone who’s got a really good skill in that.

Lance: She’s got us a great, so the rule those of you that are the ruler gifts out there you’re the people that are great at optimizing the use of resources to get things done. Or as she says to me it’s like working for someone and pushing a rock up on all day long. Now, I get, now I understand the metaphor is a ruler metaphor for I’m not cooperating with the plan.

Mercedes: That’s also complaining to you at the same time.

Lance: Exactly, exactly. Let’s go through these and let’s do a succinct, everyone out there is going to want to know who they are. I’m looking at my hair. I look at my hair and I can always, I can hear people saying, tell them to comb his hair. Alright. So, let’s start with the first one that’s there. Let each of us exercise. We got the what can you tell us about the prophecy gift. This is obviously different than predicting and foreknowing. What is this as a redemptive gift?

Nick Tri: So, as a redemptive gift what the thing about the prophet is that they are very good at grasping concepts from the unseen from the heavenly realm and languaging them and defining them. I mean think in terms of we have people poets or something, they create, they take letters, they put them together into words so they can make beautiful poetry or novels. But someone have to create the alphabet and that’s what the prophet will do. They can take, there’s nothing they can innovate and create something that didn’t exist before.

Lance: Why is it that prophets in this redemptive classification are so prone to see things in black and white?

Nick Tri: That’s part of the DNA of the prophet gift. So, they tend to see things. They’re very certain. They say this is right and this is wrong. They see they can see problems. They’re God‘s problem solvers. They can look at a situation and suddenly see there’s a better way to do this and so that’s part of the gift that they can see that. The danger is that they become judgmental.

Lance: Oh because they so quickly see. This is right and this is wrong. This is true and this is false. This is good. This is better. And they become like frustrated if other people aren’t signing off.

Nick Tri: That’s it. That’s it.

Lance: Anyone knows someone like that. Imagine being married to someone who has that gift of total certainty what is right and what is wrong, what is true and is false and they don’t like compromise I guess. Well, if it doesn’t bother you it might bother them.

Nick Tri: And so, if you’ve got a prophet who’s immature and the character hasn’t come up they see the right and they see the wrong and if you don’t agree with be I’m off I’m out of here. so,that’s a challenge for the prophet to keep the relationships going when they feel that.

Lance: That’s interesting I think maybe like Steve Jobs might have been a prophet with Mac

Nick Tri: Absolutely. The sandpaper prophet.

Lance: Yeah, sandpaper prophet. Okay, and there it says and let him prophesy according to the proportion of his faith. So, there is a prophetic dimension of that.

Nick Tri: Yes.

Lance: That sounds like an interesting qualifier what about service in his serving. What’s a motivated servant, redemptive servant all about?

Nick Tri: So, the servant is typically someone who will see the potential in someone and build, want to build a platform under them, so that they can give their very best in the gift that they have.

Lance: Is that what Kimmy is?

Kim Corden: Yeah, absolutely.

Lance: So tell me a little bit about for those that would have your kind of a gift. How does that work? What’s coming up out of the heart of a servant when you’re looking at a situation or a person?

Kim Corden: I think for me that I was always very secure in why God created me and that was really to help build up others to undergird others. Didn’t particularly want the limelight myself. Um but I would love to undergird others to see them succeed. And draw out the riches that God‘s put inside of them. And I think it’s that’s my life call to help other step into the fullness of their destiny. I find it very easy to do. It’s very natural. I love lifelong relationships. It’s about relationship. It’s about bearing someone else’s burdens for them to help them overcome situations they’re in. And to see that they can push through into everything God made them to be. So, for me, it’s discovering that my redemptive gift was a servant. Because I actually thought it was mercy, because I have the mercy call to help the nations to pray for the nations to do relief work and to really spend hours in prayer crying out for God to move in nations.

So, I thought, well, I’m definitely a mercy. But it was actually Arthur Burke that said no, no,your primary redemptive gift is of servant. I don’t look at servant being like a servant as the lowest of the low just scrubbing the floors and everything. I believe it’s very valuable. And anyone that has a servant gift will know that when you give your heart to people you give your heart fully to stand with them. As I have for you and Annabelle to see you succeed and step into everything that God has for you.

Lance: Right, and Nick you said that servants actually are in a great position to what contend with death, premature death or what was that?

Nick Tri: Yes, that’s one of the things that the servant has an authority to do in particular is to push back death in a situation. Whether it’s life and death or any situation, where there’s potentially death coming in. They have a very powerful intersession gift which of course is exactly what Kim has.

Lance: Wow, that’s so interesting. Now she mentions she confused a little bit with servant and mercy. So, let’s jump around a second. What’s the mercy gift all about?

Nick Tri: Well, the mercy gifts are an interesting one because it stands a bit aside from the others. The mercy gift is good at big concepts and systems but it’s also the one that tends to work rather than processing in the soul as the others does. It tends to process much more in spirit and feeling and gets revelation in a different way so the mercy tends to just get a sudden it drops in their spirit and they get a flash of revelation.

Lance: So, is the mercy more mystical by wiring?

Nick Tri: I would absolutely say you’re right then. Yes indeed.

Lance: Yeah because it makes sense in a way doesn’t it? Because man’s very limited as smart as we’re made in image of God. So, we think in terms of design if we want to. But then there’s a realm God judge what is it mercy triumphs over judgement. So, judgement is really a clear delineated conclusion but mercy even operates at a higher level of revelation than judgement. It kind of sees a lot more abstract empathy. It touches into the heart of God a bit more, doesn’t it?

Nick Tri: It does and one of the problems for the mercy is sometimes articulating in soul. They feel something in the spirit that takes a little while to process. It actually to language it yeah the prophet the prophets are typically very good at languaging.

Lance: Yeah, I can imagine a prophet and the mercy an argument must be rather interesting because mercy does triumph over judgement.

Nick Tri: Absolutely.

Lance: But not in an argument. And so, but I can also see another problem here. And that’s the teacher would probably have a bit of a problem with the mystic. So, how’s the teacher different?

Nick Tri: Well, the teacher is very good at the detail. So where is the prophet will see something and they’ll be writing the new concept there. They’re all in on that. Teachers going to say okay Lao let me get into the word me study this. So, they’re going to take a while before they’re comfortable with new culture.

Lance: We just did an interview with George Barna before you came. Mercedes seems to me that George would be a teacher. I mean he’s very analytic, but once he’s got the facts he’s convinced he’s right. The thing about I’ve noticed with teacher types is they’re detail oriented.And once they’ve come to a conclusion they’re assuming that you’re going to come to it also.

Nick Tri: Exactly and that’s one of the ways that teacher operates is that they say I’ve done research and I’m going to tell you and then it’s your responsibility to work with what I’ve given you.

Lance: Yeah, they assume you do. Kimmy, you’ve had clients with all of these. We haven’t got to one who leads. I don’t know as leads. I got a translation. It’s probably rules. Rules and leads is the same translation.

Nick Tri: Yeah.

Lance: But we didn’t cover who do we miss? We missed a giver, right. An exhorter.

Nick Tri: Yes, that’s right.

Lance: Alright, so Kimmy, you guys have worked with all kinds of types of clients Do you see them as clearly? Do you have any teacher clients?

Kim Corden: We do. Yes, we do and sometimes I will work with them. Many times Nick will work with them. It just depends on how we work best sometimes together. But we spend a lot of time really praying how can we help them with the redemptive gift that God has given them and draw out the very best in that, so that they can actually be gracious to all the other redemptive gifts and be tolerant of the other gifts in people. Rather than just quickly get impatient or rush on.And we find this especially in business if you have a ruler leader responds very differently to his staff than if you have a servant leader.

We found people that really say well, no, I’m a ruler and this is the way that I am. But we find actually they’re very insecure but their behavior pushes forward. Makes them feel like they’re ruling their territory. But when you bring them into the revelation of the redemptive gifts, oh that’s why. That’s why I’ve done that and it usually brings them to a great amount of healing because most people are molded by someone in their lives before they get saved. And that’s who they become. And we want to help them find out who God made them to be.

Lance: The exhorter. Nick, where do they fit?

Nick Tri: Well the exalt is someone who has a gift that when they speak people will listen to them. And it’s a gift that’s incredibly powerful, but one that comes with great responsibility because if an exhorter speaks out of their soul people will follow them. But if an exhorter will take time to really seek God‘s message and speak it, then they are incredibly powerful. Moses is an example of exhorter and we’ve seen that through history, because these gifts are present in Christians or non-Christians as you mentioned Steve Jobs earlier. We think of exhorter at the moment. Elon Musk is perhaps one of the most famous exhorters in culture at the moment. But there’s a blessing for the exhorter. They seem to be able to draw ideal and revelation out of the Bible more quickly and with greater ease than anyone else.

Lance: It’s funny we mentioned as we’re talking about this because I had broadcast with Andrew Womack last night with on Truth and Liberty, a show he’s got. And it’s happens, whatever’s on my mind is what I’m talking about. So, I was talking to you about this stuff and we’re talking about current events as I forget current events. I want to talk about these redemptive gifts is on my mind. So, I was talking about the exhorter and I was saying, I think we have a problem in America in the confusion coming out of the prophetic community. Because a lot of them may have a gift of prophecy, maybe have that gift. But if God isn’t saying something they’re good at exhorting.

So, you can exhort your way into a revelation and prophetically be prophesying what is really an exhortation operating off the vapors of a prophecy. And it produces a bit of confusion, because everybody’s saying something different because they all feel the need to say something. Because this little thing called social media, which watching right now means that we have access to people all the time. And people feel the need to constantly be saying something. They maybe don’t have something to say. But Andrew said, he totally agreed. I mean I thought I was going to get in trouble because his word of faith guys are really, they’re particular about what their beliefs are they’re very disciplined.

He said, absolutely his best friend he mentioned his name was an exhorter before he passed away. He said, and he get up and he just, he could for a whole hour have one revelation. It came to pass and he’d be sitting there everything in the Bible, it came to pass. As he just talked about.He said, change your life. But then he said later on, I told him, I said you know what, you’re an exhorter you just get one thought you just keep on working it and everybody’s hanging on. And he said, that’s because I didn’t know the Bible that well when I started, so I just had to work one little revelation I had. You can go for an hour, if you’re an exhorter on one little revelation. He said, it took me a while to get enough Bible to be able to really exhort and not have wood hay and stubble but something of value, because he way you’re captivated.

Nick Tri: Absolutely, and so it’s such a powerful gift and the if an exhort can as you say be hooked on the audience, the number of likes, number of views.

Lance: That puts a lot of pressure on them to have to keep exhorting.

Nick Tri: Absolutely. So, that’s something we can be praying when we see exhorters, if we can really be praying and guarding them from the pressure. So, the exhorter needs that servant, their intercessor and ministry to them to help them stand against the pressure.

Lance: The pressure of the populace. Now, the one that is the least, it strikes me as strange is giver. Only God and the inspiration of Paul would out of everything reach out and grab giver as one of those. Because they all seem to be like almost temperament related.

Nick Tri: Yes.

Lance: But this one seems to be like very functional. So, talk to me a bit about the giver.

Nick Tri: Well, the giver has an anointing to accrue resources and capital. We see these lists of seven in the Bible, which give us an insight into the DNA the characteristic of each of the gifts. And in the Giver’s Day, that’s the day when the fifth day when birthing came into the world. That seems to be a particular anointing on the giver that they can work to bring a concept an idea. So,maybe the prophets had an idea, but the working with the giver that will translate that into reality. Do we see this dynamic working? So, you can take Berkshire Hathaway, the partnership of a prophet Charlie Bunger and a giver Warren Buffett and they are, so it’s a really powerful nation. A combination one gets the concept and then the anointing on the other brings it into reality.

Lance: Wow. It’s you’re saying that there are teams that actually are functioning off of the alchemy of their gifting.

Nick Tri: Exactly.

Lance: If they’re really good at what they’re doing then the redemptive gift is in a sense an accelerator for if they’re skillful.

Nick Tri: That’s exactly right. So, if you’re planning something choosing people by the redemptive gift to get that right alchemy is very powerful. We know if worked in organizational stuff you know about Belvin and his different roles in the team. And so, this brings in just that spiritual edge to something that’s been out there in management consulting for a while.

Lance: I’m sure that there are people that are listening to this and they’re thinking, I wonder what I am. I wonder, I bet you many of many people are wondering their spouses, because that’s got tobe there. Mercedes?

Mercedes: Yes.

Lance: I see you gesturing. Do you have a thought you want to contribute to this conversation?

Mercedes: Nope. I’m good. I was just wondering.

Lance: Alright, which one are you married to?

Mercedes: Oh, am I married to a teacher?

Lance: Really?

Mercedes: Oh yeah, Larry. Yeah. He writes books. He gets on stage and ministers and stuff. Definitely, he’s teacher. Which one are you? Which one’s Annabelle?

Lance: I’m an exhorter. Killing a bug on my microphone.

Mercedes: You think you’re an exhorter?

Lance: Well, according to Nick.

Nick Tri: Yes.

Lance: Nick’s rather certain on that.

Mercedes: Okay.

Lance: Were you paying attention young lady over there while you were texting away, giggling while we’re watching. I’m watching you over there.

Mercedes: I just hang out with you for like eight hours a day. When the camera’s on, yes. When you’re by yourself, you’re definitely a teacher. You’re definitely, to me, like everything’s a teachable moment with you.

Lance: I think exhorters drill down on this. I think exhorters are constantly looking to apply ideas teaching.

Mercedes: Not necessarily that you’re exhorting in nature because there are times we do broadcast and I feel like ugh. Because it’s so heavy sometimes. So, I’m just trying to figure out.

Lance: What do you mean heavy sometimes?

Mercedes: Well, it’s like Mark Levin. You’re like Mark Levin. It’s I always want more Rush. Rush was an exhorter. But sometimes you’re a Mark Levin.

Lance: Well, maybe there’s, of course there’s layers to this.

Mercedes: Okay.

Lance: So, we take the redemptive gifts. We add to that the offices. So, if somebody is because remember, we have these seven here but the beauty of the Bible is there’s different windows.

Nick Tri: Yeah.

Lance: So, it could be that someone is an exhorter but there if they’re an exhorter prophet,teacher in terms of their office gifts.

Mercedes: Yeah.

Lance: Then they tend to, then there’s an alchemy that’s mixing in there.

Mercedes: So, can you have like a primary and secondary like disc? Like that’s the thing.

Lance: I believe there is but Nick doesn’t seem to go there a lot, but I believe that for instance I would be exhorter Prophet. Because I do tend to end up reaching to the abstract and coming up both abstract exhorter and prophet and bringing down ways of structuring 7-Mountains.

Mercedes: Yeah.

Lance: And when I hear it, I teach like a prophet teacher. I’m not really as teacher as I am prophet because it’s all intuitive. Teachers are line upon line with me. I go find the line to back up my intuition and if it’s not in the Bible, I won’t teach it but I start with an abstract. And then I say well wait a second where is that in the Bible and I’ll find it. And it’s like, ah, there it is.

Nick Tri: But the difference is Lance, when you articulate the 7-Mountains or something from what I listen to different people. There’s a different anointing on you to articulate the 7-Mountains and bring light to it to other people and that’s the exalted gift sparkling.

Lance: I think it is. I think that does work. So, Kimmy when you’re working with these redemptive gifts and you see the healthy part of them but then you could also see when you’re dealing with problem solving. Sometimes you have to deal with the unhealthy parts. Which would be to the great quote you remember, “Is any strength over extended becomes a weakness.”So, the ruler gift could be like Solomon probably was, you could manipulate because how to control systems. Those are the elites, the danger of that. The exhorter could get carried away with selling what they have their business selling because they’re good at its next thing they’re marketing something, which doesn’t even have integrity. But they’re convincing you to buy it.

That could be in the natural problem with somebody who’s a natural salesperson or exhorter. But what are the other overextensions of gifts, what happens to a mercy that’s over extended? Go ahead Kenny. I’m asking you. I’m throwing it at you. Don’t look at Nick. This is live pressure juggling.

Kim Corden: What Nick is a mercy, okay.

Lance: Oh, Nick you’re mercy.

Nick Tri: Yeah. I’m no mercy. Yes.

Lance: And so the great overextension of a mercy might be.

Kim Corden: That they go more into themselves. That they become more thoughtful that they become very quiet. Very inward and then you have to draw out the gift and that would be by encouragement, by affirmation, and by listening and Nick it works at a slow a different pace to me. And so, I have to if we’re dealing with the clients we’re dealing with each other. I have to learn to work with them.

Lance: I‘ve noticed something which is kind of like fun. I’ve noticed that, hold up wait a second. Knocking over my bottles on the floor. But I notice it’s like I was in your office. I love your office over there in the UK. I got to visit it one day and I know you also will challenge Nick, if he’s going to internal. Another way is you could just kind of like challenge him out of it. Do you ever have to do that?

Kim Corden: Yes, but I choose now not to.

Lance: Oh this sounds very interesting.

Kim Corden: Because I think it does more damage actually and I didn’t know about the redemptive gift. I had no idea about them. It’s only when I started to learn about them and chose to really want to understand the gift of mercy. More than let my servant gift rule over that and I choose to want, I wanted to work alongside it and be complementary. That I started to listen more and ask the Lord, how I can build him up and give him the confidence with the knowledge that he has to be able to speak to you today. I couldn’t do or say what he says. I mean I think he has a greater understanding. But I always, Lance the only way that I can really pray for someone help someone is to ask the Lord for discernment.

Lord what are you saying here? How can I help this person? Can I have your discernment in this situation to know what to do? I will wait until I hear the Lord and then I will act. I’m learning.

Lance: Beautiful. How wonderful. So, if you’re, there’s so many windows that I could think of in this conversation but we might not be able to go down all of them right now. I just wanted to have a dedicated broadcast and we could talk about lots of stuff. But I thought it would be great to have this redemptive conversation because we’ve talked a lot about gifts and temperament design things. This particular subject I think people would be interested in. Because knowing your design and knowing, I don’t know why this is, but sometimes the we could see other people more clearly than we see ourselves. Because the more natural something is to you the less obvious it is.

So, if you’re naturally empathic or you’ve got mercy or if you’re naturally just see things other people see, you tend to take for granted a gift because it’s a gift. You didn’t earn it. You didn’t develop it. You didn’t practice it. You didn’t buy it. You’ve had it since you were a kid so it tends to be an unconscious acumen.

Nick Tri: Yeah.

Lance: And I think that that it’s important. I do have a question. Why does it say prophesy according to faith for prophet? Because he didn’t mention anything about the prophet motivational or redemptive gift as being futuristic, but then the caveat there is prophecy according to faith. So, how would Arthur Burke say, why is Paul admonishing? Is there a caveat or is there a caution on the redemptive prophet going beyond what they have faith for at some points?

Nick Tri: I think the issue here is that you can drop out of the spirit into the soul. So, my understanding of that would be that this is something stay in the spirit according to your faith and your ability to connect to the spirit.

Lance: Yeah, and just as I’m looking at that now as an exhorter looking at it. What I’m thinking is, I think it might be that a person that has this gift to be able to see what works and what doesn’t work and what’s true and what’s false. They have to know that they could be right, but that can create a false sense of certainty about what you’re supposed to do. So, Moses saw the Egyptian beating the Hebrew, and in a sense he knew that was wrong. But he went beyond what he was authorized to do and got himself into a 40-year delay. Because he acted off of the certainty of right and wrong and true and false and this is good and bad. And thought assume that everyone else was going to get behind him, because he saw his destiny so clearly and they didn’t.

Nick Tri: Yes.

Lance: And so in a sense he wasn’t being moved by the spirit. His righteous judgement was moving but not the initiative of the Holy Spirit.

Nick Tri: Yes, he discerned right and wrong but that he did the wrong thing.

Lance: But he did the wrong thing but he discerned.

Nick Tri: Indeed.

Lance: And he did it again when he struck the rock. It’s ironic that it was an impulse of, what do you call them you rebels off fetch, tried to fetch water, he just finally lost his temper. Bam, Lord said that’s going to cost you. It’s like darn, twice now.

Nick Tri: Absolutely. And one of the things Lance, we’ve worked you mentioned disc earlier and one of the things about disc is that its people describe their behaviors. So, in different situations they may show up differently. You think about answering disc in a work context a home context and your profile changes. The thing about the redemptive gifts as I said earlier it’s like an operating system it’s a way of thinking so it doesn’t change in according to situations.

Lance: That’s interesting. So it’s always there.

Nick Tri: It’s always there. Now what you can however do is learn behaviors. So in a particular situation, you can develop a strength because you need it. And you can develop a skill. It can change how you show up to other people, but it doesn’t change how you think in internally. So,that I think is the big difference between the redemptive gifts and some of the other psychometric models that are out there.

Lance: Yeah, and I like that. I like the fact that it’s all the time. Is there a an overextension of a giver? Is there a danger that they might have?

Nick Tri: Yes, there is. The thing about the giver is because they know that they can accrue resources its independence.

Lance: Oh, interesting. So, the giver has to be careful about having an independent spirit because…

Nick Tri: Not being a team player.

Lance: Interesting.

Nick Tri: So, yes they’re confident in their own ability.

Lance: It’s funny Kimmy when I was asking Nick about what your redemptive gift was the other night when we were talking. He said, well yeah, he says servant, but then of course there is this going to the other gifts that people have does add to the uniqueness, right. So, then you add the intercessory, you add the prophetic aspect of being able to sense and see and going in there. But then he says something interesting. He said, but don’t forget Lance that she’s trained as an actress. So, her personality is going to be a bit more, he couldn’t find the word and I said, well, a flamboyant at times. So, we call her Mary Poppins, because she’s like Mary Poppins. She comes in at with the the umbrella and just drops into a situation and does what she does. But so what are your thoughts, as we’re kind of wrapping this up? Is there anything you think people should consider in this conversation?

Kim Corden: To inquire of God what their redemptive gifts are. Once they have an idea to really hone in on well what does that mean for their life, what does that mean in their marriage,what does that mean in their work and their relationship from a prayer point of view. I would suggest that if you have a nation that you’re called to pray for like Ukraine and Russia right now.Inquire what’s the redemptive gifts of the leaders of those nations. And as you pray for them, call out the great things of those redemptive gifts. because when you know the redemptive gift over a nation which is written there, it helps you understand the personality and the gifts within that nation that you might not see or might be held back by a dictator or someone like that but you can call them forth in the spirit.

So, if you are interested in prayer and intersession, it’s a wonderful place to start to pray from what about this nation. I would say this and I’m not a political person, but when we came away from Brexit, England took the identity back that God had given them as an individual nation. I sense that there’s a clarity in the atmosphere over the land now that was becoming very clouded by everyone else’s identity. So, it’s important for the nation to know their identity know the redemptive gifts of the nations and also individually. It’s a wonderful tool in marriage. It’s a wonderful tool to know the redemptive gifts of your children, so that you don’t try to make them be something they’re not or try to get them to do something that really isn’t their natural gift to do. Because all you will do is you’ll break their spirit.

And in the end years and years helping them sort out their problems. So, right from the very young age to recognize the redemptive gifts of your children, it will be a great gift to them in the future as they grow up.

Lance: That’s an interesting proposition. So, many different windows that open up like I thinkwhat’s the spiritual warfare that someone with the gift of giving has, that the devil would basically tell them when they’re young. Discourage them from ever thinking that they could have or do or be in business. I remember my dad told me who is really a great manager and leader, but he would talk about certain word curses spoken over him when he was younger. Here’s a guy with a degree in law and a degree in engineering who was told by his teacher that you’re not college material. You should quit while you’re ahead, and he literally got his degree and went back and presented it in front of that teacher and said, never tell a student that again. That’s after he became like an engineer.

But sometimes the enemy will try to discourage you from the very thing he that you carry. And so, you got to be thinking about that how a wounded redemptive gift can be healed by the body of Christ receiving it and responding and affirming the gift when it’s there. And how we undo a lot of, it’s a lot of deliverance and healing just in the body of Christ embracing people.

Kim Corden: When you know your redemptive gift and you start to thank God for how he made you in his unique design and the gifts he put inside of you, it absolutely transforms your life. I spoke to someone night at your house one of your friends and they were saying that, as a child they had always wanted to be in arts entertainment. Go to drama school, dance school and the father said absolutely not, absolutely not. You will not do that. And so, they went into the academic world and that was their lot that’s what they felt. But always felt very exuberant you’ll know who I am. And that lady was saying that after some prayer last night, suddenly she realizedthat she could it now. Even being old that she could do it now.

When she realized that that redemptive gift was God given and that she had been stopped by someone who thought they were doing the right thing by having an education and getting qualifications and going to university. But actually, they had a desire to perform to others to share their gifts and their talents. And I said, well, why not do it now?

Lance: Why not do it now? Kimmy, we have a book, don’t you?

Kim Corden: Yes.

Lance: And tell me the name of the book.

Kim Corden: Tending Your Garden.

Lance: Tending Your Garden, which is a lot of what your life message is about finding what God has planted there and cultivating it. How can they get a hold of that book?

Kim Corden: I don’t know.

Nick Tri: It’s on Amazon.

Lance: It’s on Amazon. Go to Tending Your Garden, Kim Corden. You could also go to www.thelightline.net, and be able to stay connected with and find out more from this most remarkable woman, this gift who’s been a friend of ours for years. Nick Tri, with Tri Solutions. Imagine we just talked about redemptive gifts but when he puts that that gift of his to use in analyzing challenges and problems in business. It’s remarkable there. So, you want to go to www.trisolutions.com, and check out what Nick does it. And if you ever put the two of them together on an assignment, O Boy, that becomes a lot of fun. Then it becomes a spiritual consulting process.

Extraordinary. Thanks for being on the show today. Thanks for stopping by. Thanks for being friends. Mercedes, do you have any final thoughts as we are concluding? What is your gift to us in terms of growth in the garden?

Mercedes: Me?

Lance: The garden?

Mercedes: In the garden?

Lance: In the office?

Mercedes: Oh, our garden in the back there?

Lance: Thank you.

Mercedes: Yes. You can tend your garden here in your own home office now. With hydroponic gardening. You too can prepare for the coming economic and supply chain shortages. No, I’m just joking but I really do love hydroponic gardening and I have one in my house. I’ve got 36 different plants and so it’s way more than a normal family needs. If you just have a family four, you can just probably get 20, 16 plants and you will be set with lots of lettuce, lots of herb. Anything green that can grow vertically you can put in this thing. So anyways, got lots of great information if you go to “Lancewallnau.com/garden”. And hopefully our studio team in the back will put some pictures up in post, so you can see just how cool this thing is.

Lance: You can see three phase, we just installed she put it into the office back there. I have to tell you I didn’t know she’d installed it, and I was here alone in the office turning off the lights in the studio leaving. And all of a sudden this glorious luminescent white light filled my conference room and it was coming out from under the door. I thought, is this an angelic visitation. It was pure white light pouring up in the bottom of my office. I thought, what. Actually Scott was here.I call this Scott, who’s back there, what’s here? He goes, I don’t know we both cautiously and with trepidation walked up and open the door. We heard the waters flowing. We heard the waters of light, because it’s attached to a hose. And all of a sudden we open the door and there it was this 5, 6-foot structure with white light pulsating through it and water flowing. I said, what is that. He goes, I think Mercedes just put that up. Well, I found our garden in the office anyway.

Mercedes: Just so we’re clear, it’s not attached to a hose. It has a water pump inside of it that goes off 15 minutes every hour.

Lance: Oh, okay well I’m glad.

Mercedes: I didn’t want people to think that they’ve got to have a hose connected to this thing.

Lance: It’s attached to a water pump, right.

Mercedes: No, it’s got a tiny water pump inside of it, but the base of it is like a big jug. You fill up like once a week and then the pump pushes the water up and then it comes down.

Lance: We’ll put the picture on for the people. For those of you that are completely mystified listening to the podcast, I have no solution for that. But you can go to “Lancewallnau.com/garden” and you can see what we’re doing in our office and our home.Thank you once again, Nick and thank you once again, Kimmy for being on our show. We look forward to having you back again.

Nick Tri: Thank you.

Lance: Bye–bye.

Lance: Hello, I have something interesting. I want to share with you that I think will make a big difference in your life. I’ve been listening to my brother Andrew Womack recently in some meetings we were doing and he said something which is so profound. He said, ‘You don’t get what you deserve. You get what Jesus deserves.’ It’s such a powerful concept. You don’t get what you deserve. You and I deserve judgement what we get is grace and forgiveness because Jesus paid the price. So, when we believe, when we ask God for help, we don’t get what we deserve. It continues. We get what Christ deserves because God has put us in Christ and everything that he has coming to him comes to his body.

So, God has every provision that is necessary. But then we have to find out how the provision is supplied, and that’s the key I want to go into right now. The apostle Paul in Philippians was in a terrible contest, a battle with government. And he was on the front lines defending and confirming the faith, in a sense people like him were keeping the government at bay from the movement so that they became the lightning rods that were battling out the issues of their message. But Paul writes to the Philippians and he says, I want you to know that this is going to turn out for my deliverance. I already see it. But it’s going to happen through your prayers and the provision of the spirit of Jesus Christ.

The two things that he knew were going to bring him through was their prayers and the provision of the spirit of Jesus Christ. The grace of God that would come to him and come on the situation. And I realized that everything that you need is in Christ and you deserve it because he deserves it. And everything that I need is there. But I actually have to ask for prayer. This is the humbling part. The vehicle that God will administer to me is through you. My job is to teach, speak, go, engage. And your job is to pray and to do your part so that the spirit of God can supply what is need it on our end. And it creates this kind of beautiful sense of dependence on each other. So,do pray, and we need to pray for boldness. That’s the number one which we need most all the time these days.

Pray for clarity. There are so many ways we can get hooked into ensnared into unnecessary battles. Pray for clarity. Pray for boldness and pray for the provision needed. Because now we’re looking at the buildings and the gathering places where we’re going to be coming together for training for the consulting, the conferencing, for the broadcasting. I want you to be able to be here. We have a great studio, but we don’t have room for our studio audience. We’re going to go there next and I need your help to do that. Your prayer is going to help provide the supply in the spirit and I’m going to ask you to partner with me.

Partner with this grace and this anointing, this clarity, this truth, this boldness because there really is an anointing on this. And when you partner with the anointing, that same spirit you discern in someone else, you get access to yourself. That’s the mystery of partnership. It kind of connects you to the source that you’re partnering with. The anointing that is on this ministry is a grace and it is a favor and I’ve seen it my whole life and I’m seeing it go to the next level now. I want that for you. The power of utterance, the power of clarity, the power to articulate the purpose of God through you to other people to give the gospel. I want you to partner with this grace.

Would you go to “Lancewallnau.com/partner”? “Lancewallnau.com/partner”. And if you partner with Annabelle and with me and with our team in prayer and you’ll partner with us as monthly supporters of this grace, then I believe God‘s going to do phenomenal things through you and through me laboring together. Thank you.