The New Warfare: Good States vs. Evil Federal Government

Lance: Alright, welcome back to Lance Wallnau Show. I happen to have a friend of mine I’ve known for a couple of years for the first time I think I’ve interviewed you, Kevin. We talked on the phone when I’ve needed some advice and insight. Kevin Lundberg, I met with probably David Barton and General Vern Lewis, friends of mine. Kevin for 16 years when I knew him, he was a Colorado State Senator assistant majority leader. And so, I would go to him for questions and he would say this really profound things about what influences legislation and what the process is and what the lifestyle is of someone who’s working in the legislator. But now you’ve got a different assignment and you’re working really with a focus a lot on state’s rights, right? 

Kevin: Well yeah, pretty much that issue of the 10th amendment the constitution calls for the federal government to have certain enumerated powers. Which you find in article 1 section 8 of the constitution. Everything else is up to the states, but anybody who follows really the pattern of how the federal government and state governments operate.

Lance: Yeah, they don’t do that so you guys know if you follow my teaching I teach about. I try to draw the biblical parallel there and I say, Jesus when he returns will gather the nations before him. And people arguing beyond this but no one can really disprove it. The nations are going to be definitively sheep or goat nations. You’re not going to have a whole lot of independent people wondering about this. Tremendous amount of pressure to conform in totalitarian world right now. Imagine, what it’ll be like then. So, sheep nations are goat nations and to me a sheep nation Jesus said as much as it done to least of these, my brethren you’ve done to me.

A sheep nation has to be whatever I don’t care if it’s Toga or Micronesia. It’s some entity that refuses to abuse and persecute those that are related to Jesus. Which would be the Jewish people,which could easily be considered his spiritual family, the Christian. Those goat nations are going to universally be guilty of siding with the persecution of those that are of Jesus. How do we know that? “As much as you’ve done to the least of these my brother you’ve done to me”. And he judges these entities based on their treatment of his represented people. So, it’s going to be a religious persecution I believe.

So, in the States it was General Vernon Lewis who wants us on a phone call with me. Who retired general and he said, ‘Lance, I believe that before too long the United States is going to end up fragmenting regionally into red and blue areas. Where more and more you’re going to see the dichotomy of people values and visions for how they want to live their life broken up.’ And he said like Florida’s going to be different than California. Now how true is like when COVID hit? You literally were free or oppressed based on whether you live in California or Florida, Texas, or New York. So, what he predicted I could never envision happening. But I mean I knew about the war between the states and I thought, but surely that we can never go back to a place where states are going to be the defining factor in the glue that holds us together is you get to live where your values and vision is going to be reflected. And let the experiment of democracy show us what states are thriving and which ones are Babylon. I think it’s be a great if we could pull it off and the federal government could get off our back. I think the laboratory democracy would show what policies work best.

Kevin: Well, and that’s some of the genius of what our constitution call for too. Generally, we call it Federalism. Which the term kind of sounds like well the federal government’s in charge but it’s actually the exact opposite. It is that principle that each State has independent sovereign authority in many areas. And we saw that work out as you said with all of this nonsense that came around the COVID pandemic. And if you compare life in the United States to life in Canada for example, we really lived in much more freedom in most States and really in all States to a degree because even the most repressive ones understood that the people could just go across the border and enjoy the life of freedom as the Bill of Rights actually specifies.

Lance: Right. So now I want to go zero in on a deep dive on Tine Peters. I helped alert people to her funding, position to her on Bannon show and she was explaining how the election was stolen. Now she says we’re going now to Colorado.

Kevin: Right.

Lance: Colorado she was running for…

Kevin: Secretary of State.

Lance: Secretary of State and she was challenging what she thinks is a corrupt government infrastructure in terms of election integrity. She kind of like Carrie, Peters, right? She’s Carrie Lake. She’s moving along with a very popular base and then discovers that she’s losing except unlike Carrie Lake she was forced to concede and she questioned whether she actually lost because she felt that she may have done a lot better than they were saying. Is that true?

Kevin: Well, the whole question is the election integrity question. It was a primary and the votes there was a wide margin, but when you compare that to the actual political environment that it just didn’t make sense. And unfortunately, we’re seeing that in far too many elections and here’s what, you talked about that that big fundraising effort. That was actually over a very short period of time and it was really miraculous in my opinion. Because I know when she first contacted me and say, hey, help me get the word out. I’m thinking, well, yeah but you don’t raise hundreds of thousands of dollars in a period of a few days for a recount effort after the election has occurred.But in fact, God blessed and I remember talking to Tine just at the end of that and she was just overwhelmed with the generosity of everyone and really recognized that this doesn’t happen normally but it needed to happen. Because we need to dig deeper not just for Tine‘s race and this is really the important point is people need to understand that we’re testing the system itself.

We’re calling for a hand recount, so we can compare that to the machine recount. And it would actually be, I actually hope I’m we’re wrong. I’d love to see absolute proof the machines are working right.

Lance: So, I have to dust off my brain the primaries are all primaries. She feels that when she showed us the diagram of her election results how all of the candidates were getting, they were tracking almost like you were looking at three pens were on the same graph.

Kevin: Yeah.

Lance: They’re moving up at the same moment which is I know she’s trying to explain this is impossible in an organic election.

Kevin: Yeah.

Lance: Somebody’s collecting more than the other and then they’re catching up at the end of the day. They’re not all moving in the same precision of dropping the votes in.

Kevin: And actually, let me clarify one particular on those graphs because if we were tracking percentages that might make sense but it wasn’t. It was raw aggregate votes. And here’s how it worked. With the first dump of data, there was a wide margin between in this case there were actually three candidates, three candidates, right. And for that race then they all paralleled with the same number of votes for each candidate rather than the wide margin at the beginning widening out as more and more differences. And that’s what just did make sense and it’s a very similar to many of the in that primary in Colorado that was in let’s say in June, so it’s couple of months ago now.

Lance: Right.

Kevin: And that’s what got us to thinking there’s something not right and we’ve seen these unexplainable patterns occur earlier. So, this was the perfect opportunity to test the system. So,she raised the money, submitted it to the Secretary of State it was over a quarter of a million dollars required and asked for a hand recount. The Secretary of State said, sure, we’ll do a recount but adamantly opposed to do a hand recount. Even though here’s one other factor. In the law in Colorado dictating how a recount occurs you start with testing the equipment versus a hand recount on a sampling of the machinery. They didn’t do that. They flat out, Secretary of State insisted that no county clerk actually follow the law. So, now there’s a court case against that she’s suing them.

Lance: Tine Peters is suing

Kevin: Tine Peters is suing Secretary of State and all the county clerks.

Lance: Because they are not following the law on how to even calibrate paper ballots to machine.

Kevin: Exactly, and if you read Colorado law it says that if there is a discrepancy in that initial comparison between the hand countless and the machine counting.

Lance: What’s the remedy?

Kevin: The remedy is the paper ballots are the presumption of the actual record.

Lance: Of course, not the machine.

Kevin: Yeah.

Lance: And so, then there has been physically recounted.

Kevin: Correct.

Lance: Alright. So, I got.

Kevin: And that’s where they’re not going and. And it’s crazy because Secretary of State has the perfect opportunity to prove the accuracy of the equipment.

Lance: Who is the Secretary of State by the way?

Kevin: Her name is Jenna Griswold.

Lance: Yes, Jenna Griswold. She’s a character out of mister Potter and it’s a wonderful life. It’s the Griswold Foundation. So, Jenna Israel and she is the secretary of disaster, right? Secretary of State out there in Colorado.

Kevin: Right.

Lance: So, what is your role in this? Are you just a troublemaker? Are you helping a rehearsal?

Kevin: Well, having served in the legislature for many years in the past.

Lance: Yeah.

Kevin: That term limits ended that a few years ago. But I stay very actively involved in the legislative arena. So, I’m one of those citizens cares deeply about our voting system working.

Lance: So, I want to ask you that so how’s this going to get resolved it’s a timeline for TinePeters? We got 2 minutes.

Kevin: Well, okay that’s enough, that’s quite right. The election is coming up quickly they are trying to push this through the courts as fast as they can. That’s up to the judge but I want to emphasize something. Whether or not this gets decided in time to determine who gets on the general election ballot It’s important that we get to the bottom of this. It is in my opinion the best opportunity to do a statewide demonstration of the either the veracity of the machine counting system or otherwise. Now understand that’s only one step in the whole process of elections. But it’s that key one that’s most questionable.

Lance: Remember Tine Peters is the one that had her house raided by the Gustapo of Colorado State Police etcetera. Because she had the temerity to want to make sure that the election was being done with integrity and so she had some kind of an image made of the voting in her…

Kevin: of the serving, the server equipment.

Lance: Of the server equipment, the computers, the software, whatever that was and then so that they wouldn’t be so that she could look at what there was the server data was after the fact, wasthat discrepancy.

Kevin: Yes.

Lance: So, then they reported well we here’s the server data. She says, wait, I have images. I have proof that that’s not what the server data had. Oh my gosh. You would have thought she rated Fort Knox. It’s like oh how dare you tamper with the tamper with the election. She caught the theft.

Kevin: Understand this. The duty of the county clerk is to preserve election records for a minimum of 25 months in Colorado. And federal law says 22 so she was doing her job by actually recording the information and the Secretary of State actually had given instructions or recommendation to the clerks to back up anything you think needs to be backed up before they do this software update.

Lance: So, she did a bit of a backup before they do their whatever they call their build up their.

Kevin: Trusted build.

Lance: Trusted build. Yeah, it’s like the inflation reduction.

Kevin: Exactly.

Lance: It’s a trust bills so they can steal it. Inflation reduction so they can raise.

Kevin: Yeah, well and be aware of this that out of those images of the server before and after this software change. Three reports were generated from experts that she did turn this information over to both the before and after and they’re called Mesa County report number one, number two, and number three. In number one, the really the biggest takeaway is the discovered that about 29,000 files were eliminated when they did that trusted bill. So right there election records.

Lance: What 29, 000 files are eliminated. What’s a file? 29,000 votes?

Kevin: No. The files, some of them were the log files that actually recorded the activity that the computer made and a lot of other ancillary files.

Lance: Oh, so someone could have gone in and given some direction to break something and it was lost.

Kevin: Right.

Lance: Alright, they’re queuing me up and I have to end. Kevin, well, to be continued because we still have Team and Peter’s stuff to talk about. But how do people keep in touch with you?

Kevin: Well, my website “KevinLundberg.com” pretty much wraps it up and I do a weekly report that’s up on the website. So, I try to keep people up to date.

Lance: “Kevinlundburg.com” and your weekly report is a summary of what? What are you covering every week?

Kevin: Well, issues that deal with election integrity and other political concerns mostly in Colorado but some of it’s national. It’s a weekly report that I’ve been degenerating for several years.

Lance: And they can get access to that at “Kevinlundberg.com.

Kevin: That is correct.

Lance: Alright. Well, we’re going to look forward to having Kevin back again. Thank you and next time you’re on, I’m going to ask you for an update on Tine Peters because we are interested in that. I’m also going to you about how duff one does one get elected as a state senator. What’s the process? Because I’m sure we have them out there and I think some of the mystique is wearing off in terms of who these politicians are because we’re looking at the left and saying, if they can get elected, I could get elected.

Kevin: That’s a good question.

Lance: We’re going to be interviewing you next time as our coach on how to be a candidate and win as a state senator. For the rest of your life, they’ll call you senator and you’ll enjoy the experience of serving your nation your god. Thank you again Kevin.

Kevin: Thanks Lance.

Lance: God bless you and we’ll be back after a break.

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