How High and Low Points Shape Your Identity

Lance: I’m so excited about today’s show. There are times when I’m working on the material and I feel the quickening of the spirit of God. I feel the stirring of God on the subject. I pray Lord that today you’re going to do a healing work and a delivering work in people. I’m with my son Carl here. What a joy to work with him. He brings so many insights and discoveries into the process thank you Carl. 

Carl: Happy to be here.

Lance: I remember a prayer from Charles Spurgeon and it was better than a sermon from Charles Spurgeon. But somebody would record Spurgeon’s prayers and they said, his prayers at the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London, were their own sublime and experience with God and he said something like this. He said, Lord, you did show your majesty when Thomas doubted and said, except, I put my finger into the wounds of his side and his hands. I will not believe and you allowed him to put his finger into those wounds. But you’re done something even more for all of us who are doubting Thomas’ and that you put your finger into our wounds and healed them.

That’s a great idea that Jesus put his finger to our wounds in order to heal. So, what I’m going to talk about now is the fact that you got that you’re in your warfare. You’re going to play hurt. You’re going to play healthy but you’re going to play. It’s game time right now for your life. It’s a Super Bowl time. You’re in the game. You’re in the winning game, the big game and you’re on that bench at any moment God can throw you on that field. This is convergence time. And in this chapter we want to talk about the power and structure of being fully persuaded regarding what God has called you to do being able to manage the highs and the lows of the warfare and the accelerations so that you stand an even keel.

Part of what I want to go to here Carl is that this idea from my buddy Doug Fike years ago, we talked about convergence. Convergence being moment when your gifts and callings and acquired skills and talents meet and you’re suddenly doing what it is that you’re gifted and called to do. A mini convergence or a micro convergence sometime when you’re entertaining or telling a story or doing the song and the crowd is with you, the audience is with you and it confirms to you that you’re meant to be a communicator, a facilitator, a leader, an influencer with people. And that little micro moment goes in there and it may not be with that song in the future. It may not be with that crowd in the future but you’ve experienced a foretaste of convergence, an actualized moment. Every life has some and likewise, we have low points where it seems as though it’s a convergence from hell. Where the reversal takes place, a disappointment takes place, a trauma, an unjustified attack, a setback, a surprise and that betrayal hits us and feelings come over us like a wave and our beliefs get formed at that moment. If we’re not very careful, we’re really vulnerable.

You can’t trust people; everyone I’d look to betray me. I’m just stupid for even thinking I could do things like this; it’ll never happen for me. Whatever that belief is, the devil’s right there and I contend that Jesus wants to put his finger into the wounds of some of those disempowering beliefs and break the apparatus so that it cannot control us. Which enables us I think I’m correct to mature into that moment in life where convergence becomes more of a lived experience in the adult expression of what God called us to do.

Carl: Yeah, and you started this message by talking about Thomas, the doubting Thomas we get that term at being a doubting Thomas. It’s weird to me that so many people have such a negative association with that term when Jesus actually allowed Thomas to finger the wounds. Like that not only says that Jesus will meet you where you’re at but it’s okay to have doubts because he’ll actually give you the clarity that you’re looking for in order to carry you through that doubt.

Lance: That’s a beautiful thought, Carl.

Carl: So, I think it’s we need not necessarily we need more doubt but we need more people to voice their doubts so that way it can be met. It can be answered.

Lance: Yeah, and I wonder if people by not exploring their questions, they rob themselves of greater certainty and believe. I mean, nothing is more convincing.

Carl: There you go.

Lance: Than when you’ve explored the best arguments something and you’ve shown them and you’ve proven them wrong. We’re dealing with the material in our Level10Living on the idea of unlocking your story and that almost is too limiting a title. Because what we’re really saying is the infinite God put within you a gift and a destiny and your life tells a story. We want your story to be an encouragement and not a warning. I think it was one guy said it was and it might have been like who’s the Speaker that would always talk about his mentor. He was the guy that was Tony Robbins mentor and even though Jim Roone.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: He said, your every life, every destiny is like the Bible. Every character in the Bible is either a promise or a warning. You want your life to be a promise not a warning. Don’t do that, right. So, there’s 3 levels of belief regarding who you are and what you’re capable of doing or regarding a lie and that you’re up against and those 3 levels Carl we have listed here on page 22.I got this from some research from these guys that were actually examining belief systems in corporations and it just comes out sociologically and psychologically true. What describe are folks that are in the podcast. What those three levels are?

Carl: Sure. The top Player is just an opinion. It’s just a fleeting thought basically like my opinion on this is uninformed, but here’s my initial thought. It’s not really well thought out. It’s just an opinion. Everybody has them. Below that is the belief. The belief is something that’s a little bit more secure. It’s not easily changed and it requires a good number of experiences to really shift and then beyond that is the core conviction. Even just before we hit record, my dad and I were talking about maybe we should change it up so that way the opinion is the base level then as you go higher in the ranks it becomes more and more of a threshold, more and more of a strong man.But I argued for this version saying that, no the core conviction is really like the core of the earth it’s like the crust. Like it’s the center of the argument it’s where the core conviction lies and then from that stems the beliefs and then a lot of the opinions are rooted in these core convictions.

We might not be able to articulate it we might not even be aware of it Sometimes it’s an unconscious thing where opinions are formulated based on core convictions. A lot of the core convictions honestly aren’t really rooted in reality. They’re rooted in the narrative that we continue to spin for ourselves.

Lance: Right, and a narrative that can be reinforced, culturally reinforced over and over again.

Carl: Absolutely.

Lance: If you’re Palestinian, the Jews are your enemy, if you’re a Jew, the Muslims your enemy, if you’re a Democrat, the Republicans your enemy, etcetera. So, it behooves us as Christians to try to be aware of what are the beliefs that we have and are they open to reason. The point we were talking about in that long illustration earlier is that in exploring the evolution argument with a scientist and a scholar. I didn’t turn over a rock that generated doubt I actually turned over a rock that gave me more clarity on the belief that I’ve got. Strengthening my core conviction, that sometimes people are afraid of exploring and examining their faith to see if they’re in the faith.But the Bible according Paul says, test yourself to see whether you are actually in the faith.

So, when you have an experience, I would say that these three levels could be positive and they could be negative, but when you’re dealing with taking down a stronghold in culture or in other people’s lives, understand that they’ve got opinions.

Carl: Oh yeah.

Lance: You’re probably better off trying to work on someone’s with an opinion than working on somebody that’s got conviction. I remember Tony Robbins was talking once at a global seminar that I was at about health issues and he had a theory that almost all sicknesses related to alkalinity or acidity. That diseases are various depending on the environment they’re being cooked in but the blood system that is which is 70% 80% water is the paste, it’s the soup. So, you got a kidney problem a heart problem this problem that focusing on. He said, I focus on the alkalinity. If you’re alkalized at an 8 or 7.5 minimum, then all of your organs are going to be in the right environment but if it’s below that and so, right away, people lined up in the hall. Because they have an open mic.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: He said, watch this. I just said something that is going to line up. 10 people have nothing but core convictions. They didn’t hear a word I said. They just have such strong opinions about health. Watch this. He said, I’m talking to them right now. They don’t even hear me. Sure,enough they grab the microphone. I disagree with you Tony, and Tony just got done saying, ‘I just said that to provoke people to see if they who’s got core convictions on health matters.’

Carl: Yep.

Lance: But you could do that with Trump. You could do that with Biden. You could do that with anything where people have strong opinions and they stop hearing.

Carl: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I’m guilty of this too. Sometimes I’ll be listening to a pundit on YouTube or something like that. And I have to pause the video because I stopped listening to what they said a couple sentences ago. Because they said something that made me think of something that ends up going into this weird fantasy land where I’m in front of them and I’m yelling at them. It’s like, they didn’t even do anything. They’re just doing their talking points like they’re doing their job. But to use some of the psychological terminology. It triggered me in a certain sense where now I’m not listening to them at all. I’m just like, what are you talking about? The Clintons are a crime family. Now we can’t air this one. Sorry, guys. That’s on me.

Lance: Well, there goes that on you.

Carl: There goes that one.

Lance: Think about those 3 levels of play out there, people. Going back to the first example, page 23. If a bombardment of criticism in the press changes your belief that you’re worthy of being blessed and that God can bless you, then, that is not really a belief. It’s an opinion because it’s easily changeable. And one of the characteristics Jesus said about believers that fall away is that they have no depth in themselves. That means they have a belief and an opinion but in times of adversity or contradiction, when things aren’t working out the way they thought, they fall away.

Carl: Yup. Like a natural pruning.

Lance: Yeah, and I say I’ve got these. I talked with Michael Brown about this now and then. Well, we don’t talk directly we text each other. But like these guys are all obsessed with people who fell away because of Trump prophets who prophesied Trump was coming back and now there’s real damage to the body of Christ. To me, it’s laughable. Because if you would fall away from Jesus of Nazareth the salvation of your soul and the Word of God over an election result by two or three YouTube prophets, then you actually fall in the category of not having root in yourself. Your problem is it’s like I remember Ernie Frye a pastor friend of mine in Massachusetts.

He said, ‘I let people come into my pulpit. I don’t always agree with them.’ He said, ‘If what I built in my church in 30 years is so fragile that one bad sermon is going to bring the house down. Let it happen next week. Because I need to see what I built.’

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: In other words, you should be falling away from the faith because your favorite new newly adopted prophet prophesied an election outcome or a Super Bowl game. And it didn’t happen.

Carl: Well, there’s all sorts of people who find their faith in different ways. So, I don’t want to poo–poo on people who necessarily don’t have a strong of faith as you for instance. Like they may have put their faith in the wrong leader and so because of that, now they feel like they were in the wrong or they didn’t hear God properly, maybe they never heard God properly so it could unravel that.

Lance: Yes, and let me just say this now because what you’re saying is so important. The apostle Paul when deserted by his own team when beaten and bloodied by his own countrymen. When wrestling with potential beheading because of the animus and envy of the Jewish leaders in Rome. He said, ‘Nevertheless I am not moved. For I know whom I have believed.’

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: You see if your faith is on a what? You’re in error. It’s not about what you believe.Because you can always have, you can always learn more and get it more accurate. It’s on who you believe. And so, you ought to have enough personal relationship with Jesus so that even if you’re illiterate in the first century and never could read a Bible because it wasn’t printed yet.You still know who you believe and it was strong enough to go to a lion’s den. People need a personal, we use the term and it’s too trivial, personal relationship. You need an encounter with Jesus that’s stronger than your theology, frankly. Your theology should be rooted and grounded off the authenticity of your experience with Jesus he’s real and therefore what he says is real.

Carl: Yeah, and not to neglect the gathering of yourselves together but it can’t be anybody else’s relationship with Jesus. It has to be yours.

Lance: Yeah, and their faith ought to be edifying and modeling for you. Okay, man. I can’t believe we’re getting so carried away here but I want you to see this.

Carl: This is what happens when we don’t Mercedes to keep us on track.

Lance: I know, well, I saw that. Yeah. It’s you and this is father and this is teacher and teacher. This is, I’m telling you, you got this is the Jewish part of your destiny. It’s the rabbi. They just talk and philosophies and debate. But what about this? I don’t know or maybe this but I’d like to say this about that. Alright, so we saw this kind of core conviction in Jesus when Satan tempted him. Did Jesus have core convictions? Yes, these 3 levels could be positive or negative. Here’s fasting 40 days in the world and let me finish one thought, Jesus was able to respond with it is written.

We also have to have and it is written at a core level of conviction on the inside of you and this is why I love the faith people, the faith community. They’ve come to the conclusion that God exist and if he exists, he’s capable of communicating in a book, his inspired thoughts. It all Scripture is written by the inspiration of God, the apostle said. So, in this book, I find a remarkable source of it is written and God speaks. I remember one time I was saying to the Lord, ‘Lord, open your mouth that I might hear. Open your lips so your servant can hear.’ The Lord said, ‘How about this? You can see me on the video. I’m talking right here.’ My Bible. He shows me my Bible. God was talking to me in the Bible. If I want to hear the words of his mouth, I had to open the pages of the book.

Carl: Yeah. It’s like, ‘Good Lord. I want to win. I want to win. I want to win so badly.’ He’s like,‘Why aren’t you playing? Why aren’t you playing then, if you want to win so badly?’

Lance: So true. Alright, so now I’m going to radically run through this Carl. I want you to be able to do this in our next broadcast. So, I’ll show you what I want you to teach the people. It goes like this.

Carl: That’s just like your opinion, man.

Lance: I know it’s my opinion. But it’s my show.

Carl: Yeah, right.

Lance: Yay. So, we talk about the ups and the downs of life, right people. And I’m saying that These are micro convergence moments. Convergence is such a powerful word. It’s that moment when your gifts, talents, and acquired skills intersect with, I’ll put the book over here, the open book, with the word, with what the word of God called you to do with your life. You’ll have a moment, a mini convergence when you’re in school or when you’re working in a new job or when you’re out doing a gig. It’s in other words, you will have moments if you’ll examine them when you tasted the actualized your Level10U, okay. It was a Level10U and they’re all patterns. Joseph gets part of it is with his father when he’s taking care of his father’s cattle.

Next moment is when he’s promoted to the head of Potiphar’s house. Another moment of strange deliverances when he’s put in charge of the entire prison system. The next moment is when his brothers are bowing down before he’s promoted to the right hand of pharaoh. In all these cases, he was experiencing a micro convergence lead to his ultimate convergence. But in each case, he also had to deal with the low point of betrayal, the low point of isolation, the low point of why God. Do you see how these parts work? These parts in a sense are more important than these because these are the patterns like the gingerbread crumbs that lead you to your destiny but these are the are the tests that can take you out.

Anger, resentment, unforgiveness, delay, or your own sins, lack of self-control, poor judgement, anger, speaking words, cruel words, not waiting on God and making the right choice. Marrying a person that maybe you’re a little hasty in marrying with. What do I do now? Having a pregnancy at the wrong time. How do I lock? These are real things that happen folks but the beauty of this is if you will work it out if you’ll stay patient and stay with the word of God, it will ultimately become a crown of rejoicing. It doesn’t stop you. Nothing you do can keep you from God‘s power to work things out in your life. People go to prison and come with ministries. The crime they committed wasn’t of God but God turned it around.

So, here’s what I’d like to do, Carl. We want to explore the empowering emotions. If you could go back in your life when you killed the lion, when you killed the bear, when you killed the giant, if you could go back and look at the moments of your life that are the high points. On page 23.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: What were the emotions you’re having? And we don’t do this enough because we’re faith people, word people. So, the limitation of a lot of faith teaching in my opinion is it discounts the taste buds of life. God gave you a soul to experience the full gamut of emotions and emotions are the taste buds. Joy is a taste. Peace is a taste. Victory is a taste and you have to acquire an addiction to heaven if you want to beat up on hell.

Carl: Yeah. There’s an old saying too. I don’t want to butcher it but it’s something to the effect of failure is the that gives success its flavor.

Lance: I like that, Carl.

Carl: It’s pretty good. It’s pretty good.

Lance: I posted one last night yesterday from Muhammad Ali and he at the end of his life post with Joe Frazier and it’s so cute in a way. They’re both wearing their white champion boxing bathrobes and they’re like 80 years old like old geezers, right. You could see. You see, they’re still fighters in their eyes but they’re old men. Ali said, he said, ‘I got to tell you something. I know Joe and he’s a great man because the best fighters I ever fought brought out the best in me.’And they did. They pushed him.

Carl: Yup.

Lance: So, what I want you guys to do, we’re going to go over for a minute here to my crew. Just going to tell you what I want to do. I want you to underscore. I want you to think about, have you done this? Did you do your profile? If you don’t have this and you’re watching these shows, where do they buy this? You got to get it, man. You’re just free loading off of, this is avaporware. I’m not even giving you the meat. I’m just giving I’m gliding over it. Where do they go to get material?

Carl: Go to “Level10living.com” right now and if you use the promo code Podcast, you get 20% off.

Lance: Really? Still go to 20% off?

Carl: Still doing that.

Lance: Alright, get it now because we’re going step by step. You should understand. You do, this is your destiny book, man. This is your thousand-dollar-hour coach call for free. I stopped doing coach calls. I just want to, I didn’t like doing. Then, people would pay me $1,000. I didn’t do them. Can you believe how crazy that is?

Carl: I don’t know about crazy. I think you just didn’t have the meaning associated with the that they did.

Lance: I didn’t.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: Because it takes so much. I thought I want to teach people. I don’t want to have to do one on.

Carl: Yeah, it’s not scalable.

Lance: So, I’m giving, yeah. I was, I’m not having the fruit. I don’t think. So, what I want you to do is I want you to write this. So, in other words, my moments are my greatest exhilaration in life. I have to go back and see what they were but it’s self-expression, its spontaneity, itsspirituality, its humor, and its freedom, it’s creative. I’d write those words down, creative, freedom, human, spontaneity, fun, self-expression. I would put those over there because I’m telling you those are the taste buds that I tasted in every moment of convergence where I wanted to go back and do it again. I want do it again. I wanted to do it again. I tasted something of the future.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: Going to page 24, Carl says, identify the circumstances you were experiencing during these empowering moments. I’m saying go there. Go to those moments and squeeze out of it. Extract out of it. What God gave you. Look for the patterns. So, for instance, were you alone or were you with someone else when that moment happened? What was the need? This is such powerful questions. I want you to do this. What need were you I was meeting the need of encouraging people and informing them. Were you part of a team or were you alone? Most of the time I was by myself. But the team I had made that moment happen. So, there was always somebody behind the scenes making it happen. Yeah, I was part of a team. But I was a spokesman on the team. And were you with other people a lot? Yes, I was. And then I was in isolation doing what I did.

These are the gingerbread crumbs. You start, but you do those questions on each of those key points. Take four convergence moments. And you start to see something. I work alone. I work with the team behind the scenes. I work with self-expression. I work with spontaneity. No wonder what I do best is my late-night Facebook rants.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: I’m by myself with this and it’s just low tech but I have more views than I have on this program with a whole studio working together and a whole team behind a glass wall. Identify. Why are you laughing?

Carl: I’m allowed to laugh.

Lance: You’re smiling at me.

Carl: I’m allowed to smile at you.

Lance: Alright, okay. I just want to know.

Carl: I give myself authority to smile at you.

Lance: Yes, you have a smile. You have authority to smile. Identify the activities you were doing and the skills, gifts, and talents you were using. So, let’s take a look at the skills you were using. What was it a song you sang? Was it a song you wrote? Was it something you said that was funny? A verbal skill, an analytical skill, a critical skill, a leadership skill, was it physical courage? Were you doing something at that moment which challenged you and was it a sporting event? Was it, or I wrote a hike? I don’t know why that would be at a high point with the hike. Maybe it was.

Carl: It’s actually deeply immersive in nature.

Lance: Yeah, there you go. Deep conversion nature. So, it’s got transcendent spiritual experience. Was it an emergency or medical issue during which you kept your head in response? These are all examples of people that gave me data. Write down the activities and what skills you were employing at the time that was happening. I’m telling you; you’re seeing the bread crumbs. You’re seeing the convergence pattern.

Carl: And also, one layer I want to add on to that is what behaviors or skill sets do you develop that allowed you to go to that place. Because it’s not always so much when you’re in that moment, for instance was it an emergency or a medical issue. It’s like, well how much time did you spend practicing resuscitation or EMT skills that allowed you to thrive in that one moment that called on it. So, what was it that you were doing that led you to that moment? And just consider it. You don’t have to necessarily write it out, but again consider it so that way moving forward if you want to have that experience again in the future maybe you scheduled those things out. The studying the EMTs, that type of thing.

Lance: One of the great sentences Carl we have here in our five minutes overtime.

Carl: Sorry everyone.

Lance: No, it’s okay. It’s page 25. It’s describing who you really are as a result of doing what we ask you to do in those two pages. You see because if convergence leaves clues, then you can write two or three sentences about who you are when you’re at your best. This is what one person wrote based upon what they had as doing the exercise and they pick the words that were their actualized Level10 convergence moment emotions. I am a free, flowing, fierce, creative, courageous, and confident man or woman. I’m grounded in the presence of peace. Yet, I’m enjoying the edge of the wave that I’m riding every day.

You got someone who’s riding a wave every day but they’re grounded in peace but they’re fierce, creative, and courageous. They courageously ride the wave. I would just refine a little bit further. I’m a courageous wave rider with a fierce creative wave rider living in grounded in peace and experiencing the fullness of the creative moment I’m living in.

Carl: It’s a beautiful sentiment.

Lance: It is a great sentiment. When I ask people, were you experiencing your peak state during those point moments micro convergence moments? They would say, I’m feeling total control or total concentration.

Carl: Yep.

Lance: And there’s something about this Carl that I learned studying some time management gurus and that is a peak experience are never the byproduct of multitasking.

Carl: Ever.

Lance: There are moments when you completely immersed in one thing. Speak to that for a moment because so many people live in multitask. If they’re doing multitask, they’re not going to have that convergence at an actualized moment.

Carl: You’re not going to flow. You’re not going to flow. The 3 primary things for flower, clear goals, challenge exceeding skills, and immediate feedback. If you’re multitasking or tasks switching, you’re not focused on what you’re doing. You’re not able to enter that realm of transient hypo frontality where your prefrontal cortex is still available but shut down. So, all of that energy is actually just moving through your neural system rather than just being concentrated at the prefrontal cortex where a lot of focus happens. So, it’s kind of the paradox of sorts of focus with flow where focus goes so to this flow go.

So, if you’re multitasking, you’re not focusing on one thing. You’re not going to get completely immersed in what’s going on. Like or earlier you mentioned the hike and you’re like, well, how can that be peak experience. If you’re completely immerse in the hike and what’s going on, you become one with nature, you lose yourself. You have that transcendental moment then you’re focused on what’s going on right now in real time. And even then, there’s that sense of time dilation sometimes where 5 seconds goes by like 5 hours. Every single little tiny thing that you’re doing. You’re right there. You’re right with it. Other times, 5 hours past like 5 minutes.

This is often the case when you just start dating somebody that you really like, you find them attractive, hours past like a snap of a finger or you accidentally put your hand on the stove. It feels like it’s been there for a while even though it’s only been there for a second. So, time dilation is another thing that happens as a consequence of being completely focused and immersed in what’s going on around you.

Lance: I love what you’re saying. So, we cover a lot of material in here. The idea is that I just want you guys and gals to get handles on this beautiful idea of your history, your story is leaving you clues. And that’s why I’m saying get unlocking story, get the videos, get the DVDs, get the workbook. Because I’m saying right here, I’m pointing to the workbook, giving examples of how to fill this out. What were the emotions you were feeling during your peak state? It gives you a formula, a cocktail if you will, of what emotions you want to have in your life to access that peak state. Because if you put those emotions in your life, spontaneity, freedom, authenticity, creativity, expression. Those 5 things, if that’s in the cocktail, then that’s when you’re in a peak state. It works both ways. You want to put those into the tank to go out and meet the world and you also want to create moments when you can do what you did that produced that experience.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: We’re going to go next week into the other side, the flip side. If convergence is that immersion in the moment when you’re doing what you’re gifted to do and the thing that Godcalled you to do and that’s how you glorify God. The flip side of that would be that your decisions moment by moment can be affected by something other than the optimum mindset.

Carl: Absolutely.

Lance: You could be operating out of fear or anxiety or frustration or reacting or preoccupation in which case your choices are chiseling your destiny. Your decisions are shaping your harvest and the thing that is shaping those decisions that you’re making moment by moment is a dance between your beliefs and dare I say, and the devils you’re fighting. If you’re dealing with trust issues, you’re going to make decisions that aren’t trusting. If you’re dealing with scarcity issues, you’re going to make decisions that are driven by fear.

Carl: Yup.

Lance: What we want to do is we want to be aware of how the harvest we’re living is the byproduct of the choices we’ve made and then make better choices because we’re weeding out the garden, planting in the word, curating the right should I say environment for the soul on the inside. You will prosper. The Bible says, ‘Beloved I pray that you prosper even as your soul prospers.’ Your soul is where the emotions are. There’s a connection between emotional harvest and a prosperous life. But we’re going to have to stop there because we’re going to pivot into another great subject which is, how to analyze the low points because that’s where you know where, by the way in the high points you don’t get a lot of fruit. You just get a lot of visits. You got vision at the top of the mountain. Higher up you go see a lot of vegetation though. It’s kind of air it up there in the top of that mountain.

You know where the fruit is in the valley? The valley down here folks. Up there is your beautiful Rachel. Down here is you’re not so attractive Leah. Leah is the one that produces your future. How you handle the low places is where your destiny flourishes. The lot to unpack in that statement. We’re going to do it on our next broadcast. Thanks for being with me here. Carl, final thoughts.

Carl: Thanks for having me and I disagree on the last point but we’ll argue about it off camera.

Lance: What point is that? I know you said that. Throw out for folks.

Carl: Throw it out there. The idea that you’re not going to get fruit at the top, I respectfully disagree. Because I think that there’s a lot of amazing fruit that’s impactful on your identity, on the way that other people view you, and then that could also go into the Pygmalion effect. How other people view you and then how you respond to that and then that becomes that self-fulfilling prophecy. So, I think there’s actually [INAUDIBLE 32:18].

Lance: I will say that both the mountain tops bound a transfiguration.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: It’s the place where you see transfigure itself on the top which is why I say those are your clues on convergence.

Carl: Which could be the beckoning, right.

Lance: Which could be the beckoning. So, I agree with you 100% on that. But what I’m trying to do in closing this out is most people don’t want to go to the bottom because they only want to focus on the positive. And they think the negatives will take care of themselves.

Carl: Yeah, no.

Lance: Well actually the negatives is a I’m trying to reassociate the idea that the valley is where the fruit is. The valley is where the harvest is. The valley is lush. And if we can how to work through those low points, we’re going to find there’s great harvest in our life that comes out of visiting the low points.

Carl: I like that. I would say it’s similar to Panhandling for gold. It’s really in those creeks and those divots and those I forget what they’re called.

Lance: Yeah.

Carl: The other, the smaller narrower areas that you’re actually going to have to sit through and you find the gold in there.

Lance: Alright. Okay. So, we’ll be back again with that next episode. You don’t want to miss. Go ahead and go to what is it? Level10?

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Lance: And get to it now and then join us on page 26 next week. Thank you.

Carl: Alright. See you then everybody.

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