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Today we want to talk about the model of models, the ultimate science of destiny – convergence. We’ve got a lot to cover, including the five stages of convergence, sovereign beginnings, your spiritual DNA, your gift discovery, and more!

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Lance: What a wonderful day it is. What a great day. I’m telling you. No matter what’s going on out there, in here, it’s where God is dwelling. It’s a great thing about Catherine Coleman’s Miracle Services. I used to go to her Shrine Auditorium miracle service and she would always say the same thing. It’s dark out there. She was always pointing out there. It’s dark and inside the Shrine Auditorium, there was the presence of God, the glory of God, and the sick were being healed and I want you to know something. In your house, in your home, in your head, it ought to be where the glory of God dwells. Let the chaos be out there but in here, let the light of Godshine. 

Wanna talk to you about the model of models, the ultimate science of destiny. We got convergence is our subject today. Carl is with me. Mercedes is with me. Are you ready to roll? And the Clinton model, it has its various phases and stages. I’ll tell you what, why don’t we just start it off with we’re on page 7 of Unlocking Your Story. Now, by the way, I skipped over page 5and 6 for those of you that are following along, because we actually cover this in our DVDs. We have DVDs that go with the material. But you want to do your destiny map. I got the destiny map behind me. We really got into some deep stuff here.

We don’t normally go that deep but we went into the cycles of generational past history, generational history playing out in the drama of your life. I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob God said. God is a God of many generations in your bloodline telling a story. So, then we have the dots on the top which is your convergence patterns, your positive moments and breakthroughs which Carl pointed out. Could become a negative, if you become sentimentally detached or if you feel like that’ll never happen again. It actually can convert on you if you’re not careful. Which case I think it would probably end up moving down the bottom.

Lance: Or you affirm thing. Or you can affirm the wrong thing. Like you could feel like it’s a positive experience but really it’s affirming.

Lance: Yeah, and actually well now we’re getting to something we don’t want to go into, which is that. Yeah, so I really beat them. Well, yeah you did. But you shouldn’t have. And what you did you think was a victory acts was a failure. It’s like my friend Dave Metcalf when he was running with the police force out in San Diego or San Jose California. And he was running, they were running competition in his units brand new recruit and the captain the sergeant was running up front Dave wanted to prove that he was better than him. So, Dave goes through younger guy and he passes by the sergeant and goes through first, victoriously puts his hands up like that and all the old timers get around and go, ‘What did you do? What did you do?’ He goes, ‘What do you mean?’ They’re all yelling at him, what did you do?

He goes, I won. I watched what I was trying to do?’ Why didn’t you run with the captain? Why did you have to beat the captain? You better start thinking we, not me or you’re going to get somebody killed out there buddy. It’s like it was a whole neurological program shift for him because he thought his goal was this guy cheered on when he won. He got yelled at. He said,next time run alongside your teammate so you’re both winning because in this business we watch each other’s back. We don’t try to beat each other.

Mercedes: I like that.

Lance: Powerful. Think we not me. Alright, so there’s five phases and stages to the powerful thing called Convergence. Convergence is the place based on the research of Robert Clinton who I taught with for a master’s degree course and Clinton talks about the five stages of convergence.Convergence being the phase and stage where you’re utilizing your gifts talents and abilities in a role that you’re finally in that releases you to do what you’ve been called to do from the time you were born. And it’s making full 100% utilization of your latent potential. Your gifts, talents, abilities, even your mistakes are woven into the pattern of convergence.

So, the apostle Peter, his failure became part of his strength as a shepherd who was a witness to the sufferings of Christ and other people knew about his power and also his humanity. And don’t you think that encourage the church in Rome when it felt like it could measure up to being like the apostles and then they know Peter’s story. I think it worked. So, let’s start with sovereign beginnings. Mercedes, Carl, you’re going to do spiritual formation. I’ll do ministry maturity. We’re on page seven if you have the manual. If you don’t, get it. Alright, go for it.

Mercedes: Most exciting about this course is you’ll see Brown Hair Lance before Lance got stressed with politics and his hair went gray. You’ll get to see brown hair, Lance.

Lance: Tell you the truth. Everything was fine till I met him.

Trump Voice: We are going to drain the swamp in Washington DC.

Lance: That’s when it started going gray.

Carl: And how did that go?

Mercedes: Still draining.

Carl: Still swampy.

Mercedes: Still swampy. Still draining. So yeah, what’s so cool Lance said like we have companion DVDs that go with this. so, there’s a much more in-depth training but we’ve got all five stages written on here. Sovereign Beginnings. This represents a time in history, your family or origin, nation, birth order, or your natural talents. God chose everything about you. He determined your gifts, talents, abilities, family of origin and the factors that shaped your life. Consider Adam. That God made the earth, the sun, the moon, the stars, the planets, the animals, the beast of the earth, the fish of the sea, everything. He put Adam in there on the 6th day and he said, there it is. He really didn’t consult with Adam a whole lot. Like Adam, your job is to take the deck that God gave you and here’s the good news. If you’ll play your deck in the Holy Ghost, you’ve got a winning hand. Every hand is a winner. Sovereign beginnings.

Lance: Shouldn’t we have written that as play the hand God gave you to people to know the deck that God gave you?

Mercedes: I don’t know. Are you playing some blackjack around when you wrote that?

Lance: I don’t know. It’s probably, I don’t know what was going on. I might have been.

Mercedes: Little poker.

Lance: What was I doing at the time that was written?

Mercedes: I like that. I like that analogy and here’s why. I’ll tell you why I like that analogy because if you know anything about like poker. You get to trade your cards out. Doesn’t necessarily matter the hand you start with. It matters the hand you finish with. Like that? So,John Maxwell.

Lance: And like Solitaire the app that I use every night before I go to sleep. I used to do wordle,wordle used to frustrate me. I get mad and stuff but Solitaire, I have this solitaire app where it says, simple, medium or hard. I choose the medium, because medium is always solvable.Meaning, it’s always going to work if you do it right. Hard may or may not work. It’s randomly put in there like a real deck of cards. You may be no way you could ever win but with medium, there’s always a way to win. Now, what’s fun about medium is I may not get it the first time, but I’ll replay it and replay it till I get it right because there’s always a way to win on the medium level and Imma tell you something.

There’s a way for you to win no matter what starting position you have. There’s a way for you to win. Carl, what is oh ask you self. There’s a question. Did you ask the question?

Mercedes: I wasn’t sure if we were doing that.

Lance: I think you have to.

Mercedes: Okay, ask. Do you need to repent over murmuring and complaining about your origins?

Lance: Now, let me just say this, this is so important. Think of how people are cursing their DNA with this stupid transgender teaching. In other words, you’re born in the gender God gave you and you curse it because you say, I’m in the wrong body. I’m in the wrong skin. I’m in the wrong color. I’m in the wrong country. I remember somebody saying to me regarding leaving a church and I wish I could come with a better analogy right now but I’m just going to tell you what I was taught. He said, you ever exit a church, you sowed in that church, you gave in that church, you served in that church, but you’re leaving because you had a running with the pastor, you’re tired of something. And then somebody joined the church that used to date them and you don’t want to go there, if they’re there.

Whatever the reason, you’re leaving the church. Don’t curse your spiritual DNA and I thought about it. So, what do you mean by that? He said, my God, this is the church that formed you or this was a church for a period of time deposited in you. You got revelation there. You got inspiration there. God visited you to some degree during that phase. When you go out of there, you want to be blessed going out, don’t curse your own DNA. Don’t criticize and when people do that with their parents or their family of origin, when they talk about their country, they curse their own DNA, because it’s in a weird way. It’s satisfying, it makes you feel superior when you can make something else inferior.

Carl: Yup.

Lance: But it’s your own DNA my friend. It’s your bloodline you’re cursing. So it’s your spiritual inheritance. So honor what can be honored. And leave the rest to God. There’s some wisdom in that. Spiritual formation, Carl.

Carl: Number two, spiritual formation. This is the journey that formed your spiritual values and perspective. God has been at work in your life from the beginning to lead you through the door of salvation into your walk with him. For the greatest percentage of people, this happens before the age of 20. He placed people in your life to share with you about his son Jesus and the way into the abundant life he has planned for you. After you were saved, he provided spiritual nourishment for your growth. As you came to him in prayer, he gave you direction and wisdom for your path. He has been actively involved in your spiritual formation phase ever since. So now ask, how could this apply to you?

Lance: So, Carl grows up in a preacher’s house, but listen man he’s had Graham Cook, Kim Clement. I remember Ted Shuttlesworth when he came to my church and he’s the only guy. He lined up my two boys. I don’t think we had joy back then. He lined him up in the preacher’s office there and gave each of a $20 bill. Because he grew up with his dad as a preacher and he said, he always wanted to focus on the children of the preach to bless them because they’ve got a particularly challenging life and they have a great inheritance. So, in a sense, Carl, in your case you had a lot of that spiritual nourishment that went into your life. And in fact Kim Clement, you might be the only one he ever did this with we had a lot of Kim Clement fans out there. What did he give you?

Carl: So, a couple things. One when I received that $20 bill I thought that it was a test and so I put it in the offering.

Lance: Oh no.

Carl: And I remember afterward I was like, so when can I expect a return on investment. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, well, I put it in the offering he’s like, that’s not what.Okay, sure. But Kim Clement for a while he was doing these blank scrolls and what he would do is before a session he would actually write out a prophetic word roll it up. And then when the time was right, he would give the anointed scroll to whoever was the person it was supposed to go to. So, during one of these meetings I ended up getting one of these scrolls and I was so super excited and I opened it up and it was blank. I felt like so robbed. I was like, the mighty man of God gave me a blank scroll. What the hell is this?

And so I took it personally and I talked to him after the meeting and I was like, Kim, what is that? And he was like, oh must have been an accident, whatever. I’ll take it back and I’ll pray over it. And I don’t know, 4, 5, 6 months passed and I get this really big box in the mail from him. I opened it up and it’s this beautiful leather bound like canvass booklet. Inside is a note and he said, I had to know we’re going to be talking about this. I would have brought it, but basically that I have been given the opportunity to write my own story and in that I should write, write, write because my future is bright, bright, bright. So, that was what he said for me and I’ve been writing my own story ever since.

Lance: And what’s the name of this booklet?

Carl: Unlocking your story.

Lance: How about that?

Carl: How about that?

Lance: That’s profound. By the way, those leather scrolls were like $300 scrolls. They were expensive.

Carl: Yes and not only that, the one that he sent to me, he said he had no memory of ever purchasing. So, he has no recollection as to how it even got his possession and then when he did get it, God said, give that to Carl.

Lance: That’s intense, man. Very few people got from Kim.

Mercedes: No pressure on diamonds.

Lance: No pressure, no diamonds. That’s beautiful. Man, I was thinking about something you were talking about that. I don’t want to lose it, but the idea that you can write your own story that the spiritual maturing process for everyone is different. I wrote here for salvation by the time you’re 20, but really the maturing development process is going on. It can take as long as you are. It’s kind of like I remember there’s a scene in Captain America where he’s fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting and there’s I don’t know what the scene is but I never forgot that God impressed me with it. I could do this all day. It’s kind of like he just is endless energy. You want to keep doing this. I can keep doing it. I’m not going to get tired. You’re going to get tired.

And I feel like for a lot of folks, have you ever felt like you’re wrestling God and you’d be just better off just to give in, because he could do this all day. And for some people, spiritual formation may take you around the mountain for a long time. The children of Israel went around the wilderness. If you ever see a map, a divine map or whatever you see to go on this big eccentric servant. Very frustrating for Moses because he knew these knuckleheads they’re dying off in the world and God‘s going to wander until they die.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: And God will let you wander until you die to the thing he wants you to let go of and then he’ll take you into your promised land. Just don’t be stubborn. Yield to the issue that God is working on.

Carl: Yeah, I wonder how many of the Hebrews while they were wandering the desert had that negative self-affirming prophecy over their lives where they said, we are never going to get out of this desert. I wonder how many people actually just cut off their generational promise to be in the promise land simply by having that affirmation.

Lance: Well, hate to say it.

Carl: Oh no.

Lance: Because I’m trying to be positive here.

Carl: Wrong guy in the shoe.

Lance: But you think it’s possible that part of the fear of God is you better have to make the right choices.

Carl: Yeah.

Lance: Because they were literally wandering around for 40 years paying off the consequence of not crossing over into convergence with God‘s calling when he opened the door. So, when Godopens the door for you to go through. If you miss it.. you may have to recycle around. So, Godopen the door for them to go into the promised land and they cried and coveted because they saw giants. They were focused on what the enemy was doing, instead of what God was going to do. There’s a lesson in here folks. They ricochet off their destiny and had to go for 40 years.

The Bible says, until all of those that disobeyed were dead and their children who didn’t know right or wrong were able to cross over. Everyone except for Joshua and Caleb who had a different Spirit. They said, we’re well able to take the land. Makes you think about no matter how tough the job is you can never get away with saying, we can’t do it. You have to say God do you want to do it?

Mercedes: Well, they also had the prophetic promise that God makes covenant with them and says, I’m going to drive out the Amorites, the Hittites, all the ites, he makes the covenant with them. That was the promise they had and that’s why it was I think offensive to the Lord because it’s not only it’s that you don’t believe I’m going to do this for you. But that’s why Caleb and Joshua were like, oh we can do this. We can take the land.

Carl: We’re going to take the land.

Mercedes: And I think it’s a little different in the New Testament too. I think those consequences to sin and those wrong choices Jesus has taken upon himself. So it’s like those concentric circles. I don’t know if we lose a generation anymore, but I absolutely hear what you’re saying that it’s like there are challenges that come up and God says are you going to believe what I told you? Or are you going to believe what the circumstances say?

Lance: I love that. I think we got to remember that. I might have to really meditate upon this because even with the battle in the nations right now. I’m forming a different thought about something and that is this verse here which to Mercedes Point which is chapter 7 of Deuteronomy. The Lord says to them, ‘The Lord didn’t set his love on you or choose you because you were more in number than any of the other people. For in fact, you were the fewest of all people. But he set his love upon you because he loved you. And he kept the oath which he swore to your forefathers. The Lord brought you out with mighty hand and redeem you from the house of from the hand of pharaoh king of Egypt. Know therefore the Lord your God is a faithful God who keeps his covenant.’

Mercedes: Amen.

Lance: So, your point is he’s saying, look I didn’t pick you up because you’re bigger than the enemy. So, know this. You’re going to win not because your size or your strength but because I’m with you and because I’m pleased to do this. So, let me summarize this. We’re talking about this powerful idea of destiny in our Level10living series and destiny we’re using this powerful word called, Convergence. So, powerful a word that once I started teaching this revitalizing the subject matter I saw ministries, businesses. There’s even a park here in Texas called Convergence Park that came out. I know.

Mercedes: This seems like it could be its own ungodly belief though. I think, it could be you put something in the atmosphere, other people take it and run with it. It sounds like it could be its own local.

Carl: This happens every time Mercedes. You don’t forget it.

Lance: It happens all the time.

Mercedes: Trump is a wrecking ball. I say these things and they go out there.

Lance: I did say Trump’s arrangement syndrome. I said it. I said, he’s a wrecking ball.

Mercedes: We know Lance. We know. We will testify on your behalf.

Lance: I’m not saying it in a complaining way. Pastor Steve Fish. Pastor Steve Fish told me. He called his church convergence after I preach convergence.

Mercedes: That’s great.

Carl: You are part of a rebrand. Alright.

Lance: Not that everybody knows it.

Mercedes: Even great men of God have ungodly beliefs.

Lance: Convergence is the place where your skills, talents, and abilities.

Carl: That’ll preach.

Lance: Come together in, put the envelope here, into an invitation God gives you to fulfill a role. I’ll put a scroll with a role. And your destiny is on that scroll and you’re suddenly in a role that releases you to do what you were gifted to do and born to do. God even takes your mistakes and weeds it into the passion of your life message. So, convergence starts off in a phase called sovereign beginnings. That means God chose the body you’re in, the gender you’re in, the birth order you’re in. you’re the 1st, 2nd or 3rd born. Do you guys think there’s any truth to this 1st 2nd, 3rdborn teaching? Like if you’re a 2nd born, a 3rd born, like the prodigal son was a 2nd born, for firstborns are super responsible. 95% of astronauts are all firstborns. Is there any truth to that in your opinion?

Mercedes: I think God‘s a God of orders so I think that there are patterns in certain things in the natural we can look at. Yeah, I think firstborns have a tendency to have certain characteristics. Middle children have a tendency to have certain characteristics. I think so.

Lance: Carl?

Carl: Yeah. It’s like scientifically validated.

Lance: It is?

Carl: Yeah. I think it was Erickson? Maybe? Better than but yeah, I think it was Erickson, Eric Erickson who did a study on different patterns emerging from different groups of children. So, the first born is likely to be type A. The 2nd born is likely to be the baby unless there’s a third baby that comes along in which case then the second born becomes the middle child which then lashes out, tries to find their own way. They almost are like a type of type A in an opposite direction from the first born. So yeah, there’s like a ton of studies on that. So, I would say so.

Lance: Wow. Sovereign beginnings. God chose your birth order, your gender, your time, and history. He chose the gifts, talents, and abilities he put on the inside. He chose the country you’re in. I’d say that the Lord pretty much had a lot of things in store be programmed into your destiny,but then we come to the 2nd phase which is what we call spiritual formation. SF, spiritual formation. This is when you meet Jesus. This is when you start to get filled with spirit. Get life lessons. What’s God like? What’s destiny like? What’s your calling like but listen, I Believe that this model works even for secular people. When it comes to spiritual formation, this is your values formation.

So, a Lincoln, a Churchill, a Roosevelt, a Cyrus, a Trump. There’re certain ways in which the life formations of your ultimate principles, your ultimate values get formed on the inside of you and it’s part of what we call spiritual formation. Your ultimate sense of right and wrong, true and false, your ultimate sense of what the compass is on the inside of you. Mercedes?

Mercedes: That’s what I was going to ask is that outside of Christianity can spiritual formation. I mean could it easily be a progressive ideology as well?

Lance: Absolutely, it could certainly be. So, we got that phase there, that phase there. Then there comes a phase which is what we call, I’m going to call it Ministry Maturity is what they call it.But I’m going to call it gift discovery? Why? In keeping with your thinking Mercedes, this is when you find out what gifts and abilities you have. This is when you might discover that you’re good with money, you’re good with numbers, you’re good with communicating, you’re good with abstract ideas, you’re good with empathy. You’re good maybe in solitude, you’re good with observation, good with music but it’s by experimenting what you’re good at, what you’re not good at.

Notice your values are forming. You’ve got your sovereign beginnings. I’ll put a house here. This is your family of origin. Mom, dad, family, your circumstances, the kind of work your father did. Big discovery. Had a lot of influence on the kind of work you ended up doing.

Mercedes: Accurate.

Lance: It’s a strange thing but and even if you didn’t end up doing what your dad did. It somehow has an influence on what you’re doing.

Mercedes: That’s fascinating.

Lance: I’m going to have to end this right now because there really is a part two coming. I can see I want to tell a story about Jeff Goldblum and I want to talk to you about the rest of the converters process. I don’t want to squeeze it all into this little time period. So, we’ll do a part two. Don’t miss part two. We’ll be looking for you next week. In the meantime, don’t delay, get a hold of unlocking your story. Go to Level10living.com. Use the code secret word password Podcast and get 20% off. You could just get this module. Then you can get the next module or you could be ambitious and get all 4. But don’t be without the workbook because you need to be reading along with us. I’ll see you again next week. Can’t wait to pick this subject up.

Closing: Thanks for listening to this Lance Wallnau broadcast. If you enjoyed today’s show, make sure to subscribe and share the episode. See you tomorrow.