God is still speaking: a message of hope for this generation

Lance: Welcome to the Lance Wallnau show. I have a very special guest today. An innovative consultant. How do you describe yourself? I know you as a prophet, a prophetess, a global consultant with leaders, a coach, and a counselor but how do you describe yourself if you’re talking to somebody that is outside of our world? How would you describe? 

Stacey Campbell: A mother of 5, grandmother of 2, husband of 41 years. Now, I don’t really have titles. I’ve never was raised with titles and so I don’t really think about that, but I do have passions.

Lance: Married to Wesley 42 years?

Stacey Campbell: 41 and a half years.

Lance: What the heck? You seem so young and too young to be a grandma. You got one of those young, it’s like my wife’s. You got that little bit of hippie flare about you like Patricia King. It’s like always young like Flower Child. Something eternally young.

Stacey Campbell: I was too young for Flower Child. I was, yeah. I was too young for that.

Lance: But you have a very young spirit about you. Even you’re prophetic. You have an attraction even to young people I know. That you still have youth come to you because they feel like you’re an open innovative spirit.

Stacey Campbell: Well, the reason for that is that when I was in my 20s and now I’m in my 60s.I’m 61 and ½. But when I was in my 20s as a Baptist and the holy spirit fell on me one of the first things he spoke to me about and I began prophesying which I’d never done was very anti all that.but he began to talk to our church about the children, the children. I mean it was a by word it was the children everything was about the next generation. So, I had a 2-year-old and I figured since God was talking about children I should teach children. So, I taught 2-year-old for 5 years. And in that time I began to get absolutely convinced that the way to change society was to go to the young. The Jesuits used to say, give me a child till he’s 5. We’ll have him for life. And I began to say okay let’s do these discipleship programs for 2-year-old. 5-year-old. Let’s get them doing all these things. So I began very early to connect with people 20 years old.

Lance: I’ll tell you, it remined, convicted me now because I just did an interview with George Barna last week. And Barna says worldview is solidified by 11.

Stacey Campbell: I know.

Lance: But you and I have so much in common and what’s fun about it is we approach, we kind of work our way to a conclusion that is independent of each other because we’re coming up from different directions. You’re preaching in this great consultation we’re having here in Waxahachie Texas.

Stacey Campbell: Yeah, can you believe it. I can’t even say that.

Lance: I’ve never been. I live in Texas; I’ve never been to. But you were talking about the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers and how the first the proton. The first one is the apostle going in but then you mentioned about how the apostle Paul went to places where Christ was in preached lest he build another man’s foundation.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: And then I had to step out and do a political interview here. I missed it but I saw I could I could catch it on the video later. But I wanted to know where you went from there, because then I heard your Segway in to, we desperately need to not be focusing on second heaven towards,third heaven is like with throne of God. Second heaven is the satanic cosmos. First heaven is the atmospheric earth. And we can’t be drawing our insight from what’s going on the Earth because it’s getting worse.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: We have to go into an innovative perspective from third heaven down and bring practical fresh ways of resolving problems in the form of opportunities that God‘s giving us to innovate. I left at that moment intrigued by the direction we’re going in. Take me to the rest of the world.

Stacey Campbell: But my point was is that first apostles because apostles are visionaries. And then I quoted Romans 15:20 where Paul said, I’m going where Christ has never been preached before. And that’s an apostolic mission to not build on any other man’s foundation. And so, he did that in the context that Jews had never gone to Gentiles. They knew that that was their role. It was their prophesied role to be a light to the Gentiles, but they’d never actually done it before. They built cities, nations, etcetera. And so when Paul is saying that it’s giving us a clue into apostolic building it is to go where Christ isn’t. And as a fivefold apostle we equip the saints to go do the work of ministry and take new territory. I mean that should be such basic Bible that all of us should be doing that but instead we have a come move of God where the apostles are building a church. So, we have a subconscious.

Lance: And here is the essence of the problem. Stacey, I just see it now for the first time and that is.

Stacey Campbell: I really help you. Come up with good idea.

Lance: You gave it to me. You just gave it to me, and here it is. The apostle goes to where Christ hasn’t been yet and they pioneer, so that Christ is in that territory.

Stacey Campbell: So, the visionary looks to see what needs to be done and the prophet,Ephesians 2:20 goes with him. You have vision and revelation together building into new territories and then behind them come the pastor’s teaching.

Lance: So, we might say and it might be a stretch but the apostles are frequently the pragmatist.The construction the architects of what this point have to be with this point. The sequence is going to be first the plumbing then the electric. Whereas the prophet sees a finished house and hovers over. I see the room and I see it’s going to be done this way. They’re looking at the end from the beginning also. But what I’m seeing is that the apostles when they get stuck with a revelation of salvation instead of the kingdom. They end up innovating in a thousand ways just how to preach salvation.

Stacey Campbell: Wow.

Lance: They do not think about taking the gospel of the kingdom where Christ hasn’t been preached yet in journalism, in law, in court, in education, in economics, in governments. In other words, this is where the body of Christ 90% of the churches and called to be in the temple. Like my background is Levitical. So, Ashkenazi Jews. Levites were 10% of the population in Israel.They were set apart to be the temple teachers and priests. 90% actually transformed the land.Because the other tribe, they built the cities they ran the governments that collected the taxes.What we done is we put all that energy out there focused on the temp what we’re doing. Instead of us equipping them for what they’re doing and it’s getting late in the day and we’re watching the price we’re paying.

Stacey Campbell: Right. Yeah. Very very true. And so, I’ve long been on this trajectory because God said about the children, so I went to the next generation. so, then I’m very in touch with what the next generation thinks and feels. And they’re leaving the church on mass, so we’ve spent all this energy to build these mega churches that now the next generation isn’t even interested in and we haven’t actually discipled them to function in their spheres of influence or their passions.Because only 10% has ever been maxed.

Lance: This is a disturbing thought. That the church growth movement, the mega churches that they’ve succeeded in building what the adults want as consumers. But they failed to build what the next generation would be attracted to. So, what is the next generation attracted to?

Stacey Campbell: Well, oddly enough, a lot of next generation people are very concerned like my children’s friends grew up in the church are exceptionally concerned about the environment.Because they perceive it as an existential threat. So, when they’ve been gone to university etcetera, they actually think this is going to be a big problem for them. So, my niece is one of them. She’s invented a thing called Rainstick Shower, her and her husband and to actually conserve water from every shower that a person takes. And one of my son’s best friends he has invented something. He just won the innovation tech prize of the year at the Dubai Symposium. I mean he just won first play in inventing this thing which is a tree planting drone that can exponentially plant trees where there’s been fires or erosion or whatever has happened for us.

Anyway, so he just won this huge world global prize. But he has had these conversations with me. Fierce conversations about why doesn’t the church? Why don’t Christian’s care about the environment? And it’s that affects every single person on the planet and why don’t they care about it and I was kind of over on one sort of political line of thought. Never ever thought about the environment and I said, well, we care for children. We’re caring for the poor. We’ve raised millions of dollars for the poor of the earth. We care for the people. He said, well, they’re not going to anyway so we would have these fierce conversations.

Lance: So, I’m a student of Jordan Peterson and another guys.

Stacey Campbell: He’s a Canadian.

Lance: And he is a Canadian which gives me the Canadian perspective. And so Jordan was pointing out that, and he did United Nations work for a while on environmental. So I was listening to him. And he’s making the comment that there’s actually more green expansion happening in the earth than any other time in history. That we actually we have land masses the size of like Texas expanding in terms of the green zone on the earth.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: So, we have this massive expansion of green rather than the narrative of the drought with the business coming in and killing all the plants. Then what’s interesting was that in a lot of places this is strange, this is other research that this is not controversial. But in Muslim nations that are actually you can actually find the green expanding where the gospel’s going too that where the gospel’s going the environment’s changing.

Stacey Campbell: Exactly.

Lance: And the environment is greener where it goes.

Stacey Campbell: So, I would say about that is that I think there was a time when awareness of environmental things, it wasn’t even on the radar and so now that these movements have come there is a huge green movement and I would say it. But unfortunately the green movement almost has no Christian voice in it. So, therefore it’s been politicized like a political weapon and used against humanity in an evil way almost, in a bad way. So, my point of innovation is that we have to embed these movements so that when a problem does arise because that was a real problem in Africa. It might have been an isolated problem and maybe there’s much more green now because this was a ten-year-old story.

Lance: It is and so I was saying the update is.

Stacey Campbell: Yeah.

Lance: Peterson was hit that and he goes, hey, are you aware of what we know now and that it’s not the issue now. But the environmentalist to your point, the environmentalists, it would be worth a study to look at who are the billionaires that funded the environmental lobbies just how did the homosexual movement in after the ball which is the book written in like 1983. How did they take over the world with an audience message that was not appealing and still not appealing to the massive people and they make it marketable so that Generation Z can’t wait to be gay or trans. How did they pull this off? Because it’s clearly a demonic hostage taking through marketing techniques.

God wasn’t in it, so it worked. The environmentalist have done the same thing. They’ve gone in on something which I think appeals to a native, it’s almost like a pervert salvation message. Like I think it could be a study made that instead of dealing with the sin that is destroying the soul. We project it into wearing masks and being sanitized and social distancing. And I’m thinking there’s something weird here. We’re more depraved and contaminated as a culture we’ve ever been and we’re almost Freudian about trying to project it in the environment and get it away from us and clean ourselves. And I think the environmentalism is the same thing. I think it’s like this desperate sense that something is dangerous. And we’ve got to save the planet. But it’s actually the save of the soul of the planet because if people are saved, they’re not going to destroy the planet.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: So then fighting then then killing industry. The thing I’ve got is that I would love to see how the environmental succeeded in creating the movement because I think it’s gotten way out of control.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: The Green Party in Germany has not only cut off their ability to have oil and gas independence. It shut down our own engineering capacity in the United States. This is after a year and a half of a Sabbatical where all industry was shut down because of COVID. Nobody’s even talking about. We shut down the world, because of all the industry were shut. The planes were shut. We weren’t doing anything. We gave a Sabbath. Not enough. We’re in danger of dying every day. So that means a little bit of this thing is it’s like the vaccine craziness. It’s like wait the fact of the matter is you’re not dying of Omicron. You’re not dying of this COVID at 50%.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: It’s not like Ebola. But in people’s heads it’s there. You’re saying Christians need to be getting involved with the environmentalist movement.

Stacey Campbell: We need to be getting involved in all these things and I feel like we’re supposed to be leaven, like light, salt, we’re the light of the world. We’re the salt of the earth. If we’ve lost our savior, we’re good for nothing. I feel like in terms of the world, much of the church, they don’t like that taste. We’ve lost that savor. They view us as being irrelevant, a subculture, somewhat narcissistic, and not caring for the world. And so these other people that come with.

Lance: And did they view us that way, because we’re that way or did they view us that way.

Stacey Campbell: Because we lost the narrative. We’ve lost the messaging.

Lance: Here’s what I think. Here’s my take on that.

Stacey Campbell: Okay.

Lance: My take on it is that if you were to line up conservatives as a constituency versus liberal’s. conservatives give like 60% more of their income away than liberals are the stingiest creatures, selfish to the bone. Conservatives Christians their philosophy tithing, sewing. They’re the only people that are broke and give up percentage of their money for. I would say that the reality is it’s not that we’re more narcissistic. I would say the reality is that we don’t advertise the generosity that is in in our movement and we allow the narrative to be taken hostage by the devil that says that we’re a stingy, selfish-focused people. I don’t like to endorse the narrative because I got the data.

Stacey Campbell: Right.

Lance: And the data is that when I went to communist China, the only time I went in there and spoke at the Chinese school of social sciences. My one comment to them at a communist university was the church that you persecute is the secret to your economic success. Because you don’t have to put 10% of your income as a government into roads, into housing, into hospitals, and into the poor, because your people will voluntarily do it for you. You shut down the church. You just shut down your own economic engine because they’re voluntarily giving because in their worldview, it’s required of them to be benevolent. So, don’t shut down.

Stacey Campbell: So, what the response.

Lance: The Marxist loved it. They said this is a great argument. If there was an argument for religious liberty that a westerner could give us. It would be that one. That we could squeeze more out of people because they’ll voluntarily do it because of their faith.

Stacey Campbell: It’s true.

Lance: And they’ll give what we can’t demand. They’ll go beyond it. They’ll go the extra mile. The teaching of Jesus.

Stacey Campbell: Yeah. Absolutely.

Lance: So they took it. They said that’s a very interesting proposition. We need more nonprofitsbecause people will voluntarily give.

Stacey Campbell: Exactly, and take care of the poor, and take people off the street and help the orphans and the handicapped.

Lance: They like the arguments.

Stacey Campbell: Yeah.

Lance: Alright so Stacey you’re doing an awful lot, but I want to make sure people can get in touch. Because you’re provocative, prophetic voice and how do they follow you? What do theydo?

Stacy Campbell: I have a ministry called Shiloh Global which I’m raising up prophets actually to go into the 7-Mountains. So I have a team of prophetic people that I’m equipping so that they go do the work of ministry so I have as leadership rises. So, I have a number of them here actually. But as leadership rises I lay hands on them and say, okay you take this mountain. You take this mountain. This you take this mountain. So the head of my business mountain is a guy that’s the CEO of a multi-billion-dollar bank and he prophesies regularly over his people and he’s equipping people and the head of my government mountain. She’s the daughter of an African king. She married a Brit and lives in London but she just won most influential female entrepreneur of the year.

And she’s doing nations of women an organization to help empower women in the world. But these people are highly skilled in their spheres of influence and they’re equipping others. Like the government lady is running a whole course on how starting with the disk profile. What’s your primary gift or your motivational gift? And then how to approach a governor and like dress, time frames. All like really practical stuff that if you’re called into government or you’re going to have a meeting with your mayor or you’re going to make an argument as an advocate How do you actually approach people? How do you become all things to all men that by all means you might save some?

Lance: Wonderful. So it’s Shiloh.

Stacey Campbell: Shiloh Global. You can look it up. You can see it on “Wesleystacycampbell.com” or I think there’s a “Shilohcompany.org” website as well. I never look it up, so it’s yeah.

Lance: Say hi to your husband Wesley.

Stacey Campbell: I’ll do that.

Lance: I always enjoy my friend Wesley. I always enjoy you. Stacey Campbell, thank you so much for being part of the Lance Wallnau Show and for those of you that are watching, I want to remind you of something. Here’s a great innovation that happened. I talked to this guy named Michael Siebert just last week. Young guy, again his 20s and he’s like you’re talking about Stacy,he’s just innovative solution oriented, right. He said, well, what happens if you’re prolife and like right now Uber will give you a free ride to an abortion clinic. He said, look at this. You got corporations now being weaponized by liberals to make it part of their brand value to accommodate your abortion platform or your gay platform. He said, what would happen if we had like a Yelp or kind of a guide where if you were a patriot and you were prolife and you loved America and you believe that you’re, and you were didn’t hate the country and let’s say you just have a couple of values.

Suppose that you were to be able to be on a map where people want to go to a coffee shop and instead of going to Starbucks which gives equal funds to Planned Parenthood with their profits. What if you went to a local vendor who’s the old-fashioned bookstore, the old-fashioned coffee,soda fountain and you’re helping someone who’s in your community who aims to be like you. They’re just a regular patriot, loves God, Christian, or whatever and they want the business. If you want to do it, someone’s competing with Uber. They got their own cab company and they’re doing it in Dallas. They’re doing it in Fort Worth or Miami. They’re not national, but they’re at least competing with Uber and it’s really cool and they give out their free sodas in every car.

So, the point is he created an app called Public Square and you can go to “Lancewallnau.com/PublicSquare” and get access to the app and download it and you can then become one of the first companies in your state. This is now in 50 states. Got laws for every state.

Stacey Campbell: Wow.

Lance: It’s going huge, because the 80 million to 100 million Trump supporters and conservatives that are frustrated with like Walmart just got rid of Mike Lindell, like two nights ago. We just did a live in the air. He just reported to us. Because they’re political. They refuse to carry his pillows because the left won’t let them do it. So, Mike Lindell needs to advertise. Every company that’s got Mike Lindell products, needs to advertise locally. And you download the app for free. I think we’re putting, like we’ve already put like thousands of there and I want everyone to get their business on there. Get your chiropractic office. Get whatever if you’re in the marketplace, put your thing. I don’t know. Maybe schools are even there. I don’t know how far this goes but I do know I want it designed for the marketplace and he’s doing it and it’s going like Campbell, its innovation.

Stacey Campbell: See this is what we need innovation. We need people to think outside the box instead of just saying okay well all boycott Walmart only.

Lance: Right.

Stacey Campbell: They have to say okay what’s the solution? How do we actually solve that problem if we don’t want, if we need those products but we can’t get them there.

Lance: What’s the alternative other than writing the angry letters?

Stacey Campbell: Exactly. Yeah.

Lance: Alright give me an innovation real quick. One that you’ve run into recently that’s a cool idea out of the box. Ans I will land the plan with this

Stacey Campbell: Oh man, I’ve seen so many innovations but I don’t know how many of them I can say publicly. Because some of them are I’ve never heard of it.

Lance: Yeah, because they’re designed.

Stacey Campbell: They’re designed. Exactly.

Lance: Governments that persecute Christians.

Stacey Campbell: Exactly and closed the gospel off to whole groups of people. So I can’t really say some of those, but I met this fellow at the Bethel Prophetic Conference and he actually pastors a church. He’s the leader of a church in Oxford, but he is doing an entire department that he has a PhD in biochemistry. And/or something like that, bio something. Anyway, he was coming up with all these great ideas so the other faculty members said, we don’t really have a place for you, we are going to create an entire department for you at Oxford University and it is the Department of Innovation. They called it that. He’s getting the brightest minds in the world to come and be part of this department. And whenever they find a solution particularly, they’re working on environmental problems right now like if there’s drought in a certain area. How do we fix that?

But he says, it’s expanding into tech arenas. All kinds of arenas. Innovation where you can actually be schooled in a different way of thinking. And I think the church could use education like that. Because that’s how God thinks. Wheels within wheels. It’s not just one mountain. It’s the 7 mountains but they’re all connected and yeah and it’s one body but many members. That’s how we need to think. And so, anyway I think that’s an idea. We need to start innovative schools. We need to educate our kids differently. All those kinds of things.

Lance: Well, you got me really stimulated here. I’m going to find something for you and it’s a book on the Innovators DNA written by some Harvard research guys. The Innovators DNA. The book was out about 7 years ago and they have 7 key questions that out of the box innovators ask.It’s so interesting because as I went down the list to prepare a PowerPoint for a business seminar, it’s spelled, it was 1, 2, 3, 4, it was 5 questions they asked and it’s spelled ASONE, As One.

Stacey Campbell: Wow.

Lance: I saw that. So, I wrote the acronym out, As One. And each one of the questions they ask is leads with one of those letters. So, I’ll going to find that and we’ll come back and pick that subject up and I’ll share with you what we got. We’ll do it live.

Stacey Campbell: Perfect.

Lance: Fair enough.

Stacey Campbell: Okay. Come on.

Lance: Alright, Stacey Campbell. We’ll be back again in the future. Until then, I’m looking forward to seeing you guys tomorrow on the next one-hour show. Bye- bye.

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