Lance is LIVE with David Harris about the spiritual battle for America- and how to take back our country!

Lance: O Boy, O Boy, we have on a wonderful show today. I’m telling you we’re going to have a fun time and it’s going to be with the irrepressible Dave Harris and our team Mercedes Sparks and my son Carl Alexander Wallnau. And you know what? Dave Harris before we bring him on. I want you to know something. I’m a true friend of Dave’s and when he has to interview the president. He has been able to come over here to our illustrious studio. But I want you to know Dave that we also today have the president with us. I’d like say hello to the President Donald Trump our special guest. And I’m tired of people saying he’s not intellectual. What do you have to say about that mister president? 

Trump Voice: They say is Donald Trump an intellectual. Trust me, I’m like a smart person.

Lance: That’s how we have him in the studio today Dave. You’ve done a better job than we have if you actually get him live. Alright, let’s bring Dave in welcome Dave Harris. Hey.

Dave Harris: Hey, thank you so much for having me Lance and company. You guys are all amazing. Love you and yes, you’re a dear friend and yeah, appreciate you having me on today.

Lance: And you and I have been linked to Donald Trump ever since the beginning. I mean, even from the beginning, I remember, I was just reminiscing about the day that I went to Trump Towers to go meet Donald Trump in the first day, and you had a product that was uniquely designed. I was taking all your products at that time and it was designed to help I guess to perspire and get all the toxins out for people to in workouts, right. And I didn’t know that. It was inner lean. I think it was a product at the time and I remember putting on my suit and grabbing my briefcase and looking very Trump smart. And it was right after the debate with Marco Rubio,where he was commenting on Rubio with his perspiring so much.

I walked vigorously down four blocks from the hotel I was at Tim Towers in the sun brisk walking getting a little morning workout. And by the time I hit the Trump Towers I was literally, I was oozing with perspiration from every pour. I could understand what it was like faucets coming out of my head. And I thought, oh my God, what’s wrong with me? I could figure out what did I do? And I stood under an air vent at the bottom of the escalator. Unfortunately the air came down powerful at the bottom of that Trump Tower escalator. I stood over there and I looked so weird and conspicuous that the security came over and said, sir, can I help you? And I explained him about to meet Mister Trump and look at me I’m soaking Marco Rubio. I can’t go up there like this, he laughed and parked himself next to me and up until today, I thought he was just being a nice guy so that no one else would bother me.

But then Dave pointed out that maybe he thought I was a security risk and I should be closely monitored because of the oddity of my behavior. So anyway, Dave, you have been with me from the very beginning of my journey with Donald Trump. And dare I say that I’ve been with you,because when I first started going on my Trumpian journey and was doing all my posts and stuff like that. You and I were working together with your company Uncorked Wellness. And you were just kind of getting involved. Just getting started with commenting now and then. But low and behold you took off like a house on fire and I’m still plotting away over there with my media world and zip next thing you’re up there meeting with Trump you’re doing broadcast you’re interviewing Trump. It was shocking to see how you just took the thing like Duck the Water, didn’t you?

Dave Harris: Well, I did. I mean, I was passionate about Donald Trump because after the third debate, I was actually out at Rick Joyner’s Church in South Carolina. I was up there. I was speaking at an event. I was there for the Uncorked products actually. You connected me with Rick Joyner. He loved the products as well. He had me out. Wanted me to talk about business, heaven and business and we’re up, my wife and I are up in our room and we watched the third debate and as soon as that third debate was over. I just had to pour my heart out us as to what I felt was at stake for our country. And literally, we had at the time Hillary Clinton that was saying that babies don’t deserve rights at any point during a woman’s pregnancy all the way up to the point of birth.

She tried to call him out on it and say, you think women should go to jail if they have an abortion. And he very very definitely and strongly said, you’re talking about harming a baby and ending a baby right before the point of birth. He says, yeah, that’s not right, it’s not right. And when I heard with that passion and with his courage to not back away from a topic that’s so near and dear to my heart because of my own personal story with my wife and what she went through and how she almost didn’t arrive and didn’t have a chance to thrive. Because her mom literally went into the abortion clinic and at the last minute decided to leave and chose life.

My wife wouldn’t be here. Our daughters wouldn’t be here. My new grandbaby wouldn’t be here if her mom hadn’t been courageous and chose life. So, being pro-life for me is the crux issue. If it’s often somebody’s moral compass to that they think it’s okay to harm an innocent baby in the womb what else is off with their moral compass? So when I saw Donald Trump championing the pro-life message and movement, I said, I’ve got to share what I feel is at stake and I hopped on Facebook. I maybe had 1,500 friends. I shared a very pro-life message as a Christian, as a husband, as a father, as a business owner, and as a member of the black community and it’s in that order for me.

This is what I feel is at stake and Lance, I got to tell you one of the biggest parts of that message was that the next president would have the opportunity to pick two or three scotus judges. Andthat would change or would concrete the direction our country was moving in. So, to see it that Roe V Wade has just been overturned at the Supreme Court the highest level in the land, it’s like a full circle for me where all this even came from. And that message that original video that was very long went crazy viral and that’s what really started me on this journey and I just didn’t look back. I kept pushing forward. So, it’s been a pretty amazing ride and thank you so much for letting me use your studio to interview President Donald Trump.

Lance: Yes. Well, a little more success than I’ve had getting him in the studio. So, congratulations.

Dave Harris: I’m working on that for you.

Lance: Blacks, I haven’t asked yet. I’m a little bit like Jack Benny. I haven’t asked. I Paula White. They’re all friends of mine but then, you know, guys like you, you’re good at that. You’re convivial you’re likable hey I want to come to this I want to come to that and you do it to me.What’s wrong with me I’m waiting for I’m waiting for him to call me but he’s not calling me.

Mercedes: What’s that Bible verse, right? You have not, because you asked.

Lance: Yeah, I’m not asking, I should be. I’m not asking. Anyway, but you remember there’s so many things we can talk about. Now we’re already down the road with Trump. It’s hard to go back once you start with Donald Trump but you’ve been outspoken. You’ve been very courageous in your view and I think reward you for that. What was, I noticed you got like one and a half million people on Instagram. How was your journey been on Facebook? Did you have a lot of pushback from technology on different posts you’ve had? Because you’re outspoken from election for all like I am. And I’m in the same boat as you getting these strikes all the time. But what’s your experience been with tech?

Dave Harris: Well, I started on Facebook. I wasn’t even on Instagram. That first video into 2016 was on Facebook and I plugged away on Facebook only for probably the first year and a half or two. And then I started Instagram and then I started Twitter and then I started YouTube. YouTube banned me last year. I had Mike Lindell on twice and I think that and one other senate hearing where this doctor was trying to expose and just shed a light on the numbers that the bears, the vaccine adverse event reporting system were recording. I just Posted that on YouTube and they gave me a strike for it. And then after Mike came on and shared what he shared about Fauci and Joe Biden. They just said, enough is enough with you.

So, they took me off. But I see censorship on all those platforms. Twitter has me to where you can’t even hardly find me. You got to put my entire handle in which my handle on all social medias. David J Harris Junior. If you don’t have all of it to the last JR, then you won’t find me. If you find me on Twitter, it says, there’s a warning that pops up and says, are you sure you want to follow this person? I’m like little old me I Twitter knows who I am. They got to put a warning on me.

Mercedes: Wow.

Lance: Instagram throttles me constantly and Facebook right before the 2020 elections,Facebook took my 2.2 million followers that I have where I was reaching 100+ million people a month with my posts. And they just throttled it down to where I’m barely reaching a million or two a month. So, I’ve definitely seen and gone through my share of the censorship and the bias from big tech but I’ve people still see me and people still appreciate my voice and my message,so I still have to be there to try to share those.

Lance: Well, we’re putting you courageously on our platform today and we believe that we will hopefully not suffer the same fate as Mike Lindell and others patriots before us but it happens to me too. mean Mercedes, her Facebook page. It’s like really growing and it’s got a reach. What’s your reach right now?

Mercedes: I have about only like 56,000 people that are following me compared to you guys.

Lance: No, no, no, but I mean look at the Facebook.

Mercedes: I know the reach is Probably 27 million.

Lance: Right. That’s a point. As a matter of observation. Her reach with 50,000 people.

Mercedes: 56.

Lance: 56. Which I might add has been greatly augmented and amplified by virtue of our million people that are doing downloads a month on our show here. That her reach like to say 20 million, 30 million.

Mercedes: About 24 million alive.

Lance: How about this Dave? They’ve got me down to 8 million and I’ve got 755,000 people that have signed up on my page. I’m down to 8 million. She’s got 30 million. Tell me what’s up with that. Suppression I tell you. They’re after the black people and the Jews. I’m telling you there’s still that you and I have a right to be coveting. The blacks and the Jews constantly being persecuted. If they like Trump.

Dave Harris: That’s exactly right. And Mercedes just isn’t on their radar yet. Which is a good thing because I’ve actually seen a lot of individuals that post some very powerful pieces segments their own stuff and they’ve only got maybe 4050,000 followers. And yet it’s like Facebook knows who they are and they throttle them down. So, it’s constantly a game. It’s self-censorship. I have to self-censor all the time to decide what I’m going to put on any social media platform. Because they’re looking for any reason to try to shut us down. So, kudos to you Mercedes and that means you’re going in the right direction when Big Tech is slamming you Lance.

Mercedes: True, that’s true Lance.

Lance: Well, this being the case. Tim Paul’s really got this down to his science I listen to him because he’ll go on YouTube and then he will self, I see himself editing while he’s interviewing people. He’ll have Alex Jones on right away. He says, well we can’t put this on YouTube now Alex because what you said, we’re going to have to. Because what he does is this is ingenious.He does it live and then in anything is said that the deems that they’ll strike he takes it off himself after he gets the digital juice of 400,000 views watching it live. So, he’s riding that wave constantly and he just goes ahead, but he still does his broadcast live and then takes it off. If he feels like they might strike him on it and he’s got it a certain and he knows how to go up to the line. And if somehow they accidentally go over he still has the digital audience, but they just can’t find. And he tells him if you want to see this you’re going to have to go behind the pay wall.You have to come over to my site where it’s uncensored. So, we’re learning how to do this stuff and we all may end up having to do that. I’m looking at your shirt.

Dave Harris: Yeah, absolutely. Actually, we’re working on an app right now, we can do that too.What’s that?

Lance: You’re working on the app right now. But I’m looking at your shirt and I want you to tell me what. I only see I will not comply. Is that what it is yeah I will not comply?

Dave Harris: Yeah, all the mandates all the government mandates that they continue want to push and shove down our throats from the jab to anything else. I’m not going to comply with that and then you can see right here over here is a cross. I think for me, that’s where it starts and ends is my belief and faith in God. And if the government’s trying to push anything down my throat that’s not going to align up with my faith, then I refuse to comply. That’s just as simple as that.

Lance: Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Carl, you’re over there kind of quiet. I introduced you on the show. I hate to not have you participate. But I don’t quite know when to throw the ball to you. You have anything you wanted to talk to Dave about while he’s on?

Carl: I’m so glad you’re here, David. Thanks for coming on, man.

Dave Harris: Absolutely, brother.

Carl: I don’t think we really pushed your book yet. Why I couldn’t stay silent. I know you mentioned it briefly in the introduction as far as your wife’s story and your personal story. I was curious if you might be willing or interested in speaking a little bit more on the nature of the book and where it’s gotten you since you’ve released it.

Dave Harris: Absolutely. Carl. The book, I just felt compelled to write it because there’s so much, there’s been so much. And there’s still is so much misinformation in the mainstream media that good-hearted people I think are getting caught in the middle of that. At the very beginning of Donald Trump’s presidency even through the end of it pretty much there’s still chanting and saying that he’s a racist and all these things. I’ve had the opportunity to actually spend time with him on multiple occasions. And like Lance said, you he knows me well enough that he’s done my show my podcast twice, which is also the David J, Harris Junior Podcast. But I share in that book why I couldn’t stay silent as a believer, what I saw behind the scenes that I think sheds light on who Donald Trump is. I break down some of the misinformation that’s in there and I think the greatest chapters, the chapter that my wife actually added where she shares in her own words her story of how she out that she was almost aborted. She didn’t know that for the first 26, 27 years of her life.

Carl: Wow.

Dave Harris: So, it’s a pretty powerful story and then I share some of the amazing results responses that came from us both sharing our pro-life message to the tune of one instance in there where a friend of mine had a good friend, a female that was pregnant was contemplating abortion. And he said, I don’t know if I know the right words to say. So, he sent her a video of mine and he sent her a post from my wife’s and then he sent us a little picture of little baby and he said, here’s little baby Ian. After your messages, she decided to choose life. So, I share that in there. I break down why I believe that the left leaning media, the MSN is the KKK of today. The KKK is all about domination, manipulation, and control and that’s all the mainstream media is.

I break down the conglomerates, the big corporations that are behind 90, 95% of media across the country and we get into some weed. So yeah, the book right now is on my website “Davidharrisjunior.store” and actually it’s free. I think with any two T shirts, buy $75 worth of any of the T shirts when you get my book for free as well.

Carl: Nice.

Dave Harris: But it’s been waking people up. People read it. They appreciate the perspective that I give in there and it also then gives them some courage insight and then courage to stand on their faith and what they believe as well.

Carl: That’s beautiful man, thank you.

Lance: I noticed something in, and by the way, the name of the book again is?

Dave Harris: Why I Couldn’t Stay Silent.

Lance: And they can get it where?

Dave Harris: “Davidharrisjunior.store”.

Lance: Okay, thank you. We’ll make sure we have that up for you. I saw a meme, our picture the other day, I guess was yesterday and since Roe V Wade has been the overturning. Which push it back to the states where the states can now debate their own individual morality and seal their fate as a sheep and goat states. Biblically sheep and goat nations, but Jesus said the world would be divided into those that would bear the image of God and protect it, and those that would be like a beast and suppress it. And we’re seeing that happen in the United States. But I saw this meme or a picture and it was in the news covering a meeting with Biden, Boris Johnson, Macron of France and Trudeau. A picture of all of them like together. It might have been a Photoshop picture now that I think of it. Because all of them were chiming in on their outrage over the fact that the Supreme Court decided the issue of life isn’t to be legislated and guaranteed and read into the constitution in terms of abortion and when you can terminate a pregnancy.

That’s a matter for the states to decide, that’s a legislation issue, that’s a morality issue for the political arena not the courts to make a decision on. So, we push it back to the states that’s all that happened. But these guys all are quoted so saying, “What a travesty, what a sad day for America”. In other words, they’re all chiming in on their culture of celebrating death and the annihilation of the innocent and then I realized the hypocrisy of like Boris Johnson there. He’s that you have to have two doctors in the UK sign off on the necessity of terminating a pregnancy. Two doctors. It’s even more stringent than in the laws we have in the United States, but he chimed right in. This globalist thing is a big deal Dave.

I mean, I think we got to recognize these world rulers are almost like the Bible says the Book of Revelation they’re of one mind and give their power over to the beast. In the west, they are of one mind. And their mind is detached from biblical values. It’s detached from the sanctity of life. And you saw the Covid shutdowns. The shutting down of churches. The shutting down of even information that could talk about the origin of COVID or the success of certain therapeutics versus the risk of what they were pushing with the pharmaceuticals. They’re all of one mind. They’re like, this is the beginning of the beast system of governments and in western society. The only thing we have that can be a remedy of vaccine is going to be the success of the gospel being presented vigilantly in power enough to raise up in France. Once again a reformation as we’ve had it before, you had Zurich Zwingley in Scandinavia in the Dutch speaking countries. You had Whitfield in England.

We’re going to have to see this, the church is the only antidote to this expanding empire of suppression. And I wonder if Americans Christians in particularly are aware of the fact that we’re in the battle of and the United States is the last hope for the nations for this reason. Because these secular leaders are actually willing to turn their governments over to world health to organize it.What are your thoughts on this?

Dave Harris: Yeah, I don’t know if believers are paying attention to that or not. I mean it’s hard to not see that when you’ve got all these world leaders that are championing something that’s detrimental to our country. These are future leaders’, doctors, lawyers, teachers. It’s the next generation of people that are being eradicated. We’re being eradicated under Roe V Wade. And democracy says, hey, let the states decide. The state should be able to decide. You’re 100% right in that I feel the same way the only thing that is going to wake up and save this country are going to be believers that are filled with God‘s presence. That walk and speak with courage. The truths that we know from the Bible. From a biblical worldview on what is right and why we can’t just pick what is right that there’s absolute truths that we must follow. And if we don’t then we’re going to suffer the demise of every other great empire that’s ever existed in the history of the world.

It’s interesting that most great empires, you may know the exact number or the better idea of numbers. But it’s around 240 years that most of the biggest and greatest empires in the world in the history of the world survive until they crumble from within. And where we at, the United States of America? We’ve we’re across that 240 year mark or close to it and what we just had our 24, 250 years celebration of 1776 that’s yeah we’re coming up on it. So, we’re coming up on 250 years here as a nation and we’re being faced with something that could absolutely destroy us from within our own people our own politicians. But it’s a spirit battle at the beginning and the end of the day, it’s absolutely a spiritual battle. And what gives me hope and gives me solace is what was taking place when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sodom and Gomorrah was a sin-drenched city where everything went all sexual acts went with whoever. No matter what relations were or sex was, men or women. And God said, hey, I’m going to spare a lot in his family. If God spared lot and his family then and that’s Old Testament.I believe God will spare and save the United States of America if enough believers stand up, rise up, speak up and pray. So, that’s where we’re at right now as a nation is we need believers unified speaking up, standing up and praying. Because otherwise, there’s no like, you said we’re the last great hope for the nations and there’s no other nation that’s going to come to our rescue.

Lance: There, I want to give Mercedes a chance to jump in here, because you and I are catching up here like, oh all friends talk catching up. But here’s something which I thought was interesting. I saw a meme from a young prophet who said, watch the celebration of Roe V Wade and watch the churches that are silent. Because the silent churches are preaching something about the spirit of woke that has gotten into the vital organs of the church in that. There’s a lot of churches that if it’s controversial on the streets they don’t deal with it in the sanctuary. And so,you got this weird separation of church and state where even in the pulpit the pastors are afraid of dealing with controversial subjects.

A number of big churches intentionally would not celebrate the courage of the Supreme Court and the decision to push the case back to the states because it was not a safe place for the church.Have you observed this deterioration in the church culture? Because you must you you’re on the front lines like me. What do you see going on?

Dave Harris: Yeah, there is unfortunately a great deterioration in church leadership which then filters down to that culture of the church. And I think we actually began to see it under COVID. When pastors were afraid to open up their church that should be a place of sanctuary, a place of hope and of peace and of getting into God‘s presence. They were shutting down over the mandates and I say when I go to churches and I speak at political rallies. I say, I think that the churches that shut down and stage shut a lot of them shut, because in the beginning where they didn’t know and then they reopened and said you know what? You’re not going to mandate our religious liberties. You’re not going to do it.

And a lot of pastors suffered through it and went through. They’re being cited and being fined and penalties and what not. But they were there standing up courageously for the people to have a place to come to pray to get knit together in love with other individuals and seek God together and sing. In California, Gavin Newsom, he was saying, you can’t even sing in church. He was trying to go that far. So, I really think that there’s a great separation that’s taking place not just in with individuals but in churches. And the churches that shut down and stayed shut down probably never should have been open to begin with. The churches that open back up, I’ve seen are the same exact churches that are championing the messages that are so along the lines of God‘s heartbeat.

A life is a life. Inside the womb, that baby when the heartbeat’s there, the baby is thriving and growing. And it’s a sad day when churches, especially somebody’s mega pastor churches haven’t said a word about Roe V Wade being overturned. I think that God will replace these individuals. I think they’re marking the end of their ministry and their career as a leader in the church by notaddressing the issues that are on the top of God‘s heart because that’s what’s at stake right now.So yeah, it’s unfortunate it’s sad but in every shaking God is doing the rebuilding.

Lance: Yeah, and I think I think that someone gave me a word once which I have hidden from,which was that I would be involved with the movement of God, that would be a wrecking ball to the spirit of religion. Just like Donald Trump was a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness. Carl, you had your hand up for a moment ago?

Carl: Yeah, to your point David, I think this is actually a really good thing that these people who are in positions of authority have stepped down or resigned or somehow lost their position.Because just according to the constitution, First Amendment is very plainly stated. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This conversation was already resolved centuries ago. I don’t know why leaders didn’t take it upon themselves to read the founding document, and then point to that and say actually the president here says this, you’re acting as a national or a non-nationally terrorist. I mean, that’s really what it is, and anytime these government individuals are overreaching or overstepping they need to be slapped back into place. So I’m eager to see what that looks like.

Lance: Yeah, and I want to throw us over to Mercedes too on your thoughts on this but I mean I think about Arthur Polanski the pastor in Canada. I have to go check up on him now, but I mean Trudeau shows you how dangerous it is to have a woke progressive operating with the mechanisms of democracy that allow them to come to power. And then a fascism that seizes those same instruments and begins to lock up sent, lock up the bank accounts, put out a business, those that are exercising their right to protest. Trudeau was pushed into this expediency when Biden put the call on him, saying, he had to deal with it. Because he was interfering with routes between Canada and the US on in the mid, in let’s say in the area around Detroit and Windsor.Where the bridges were being blocked by the truckers.

And I’m just saying this is a don’t forget this, because these guys have got to be replaced and if the church doesn’t have the vitality and the courage to see the threat for what it is. It’s the next COVID lockdown cycle, the next high tech lynching of the populous voices. The next attack by the banking system to freeze bank accounts is going to be nothing more than like communist China under the guise of democratic institutions. If we don’t break it now, Mercedes.

Mercedes: Yeah, I mean in listening to what you and David are talking about, my thought is that I really think populism is going to be coming for the pulpit. In the same way that it’s going after politicians right now, I think it’s going to go after pastors. Because when you look at George Barner’s research when he was on a few weeks ago, 38% of pastors, senior pastors have a biblical worldview. Which is kind of scary, because I almost think there’s more people in the pews that have a biblical worldview. That is not sitting right with when we’ve been fighting the cultural war and the culture warriors, the Christian culture warriors are celebrating right now.But then the lovers and the statesmen that are in these pastoral roles, if they can’t pull themselves to publicly celebrate the fact that this 50 years of a blood soaked stain that we’ve had in America is over now. And for what?

It’s like here’s the thing. Statistically, 1 in 4 women is has had an abortion. So, of the 25% of women in your church have probably had an abortion. So, I understand the heart behind it but for some of them, for some of them, it’s that. I don’t think it’s a majority of them. But to not take a stand and to celebrate publicly and say, this is a thing that God has done. Only God could have done this. This is the answer to intercession and prayer that’s been going on for 50 years and today, we celebrate it as a church. We celebrate it as a nation. I don’t want you to feel condemned if you’ve made that choice. God loves you. There’s for you. It’s like there’s a way to do that but try to remain neutral or worse, some of them even seem like, I mean, I’ve seen memes posted ofthat nobody should tell a woman what to do.

But I’d love to pull back to David. I saw David’s post a few days ago. I shared it on my page where it said, 7 white men passed Roe V Wade. But it was a woman and a black man that overturned it and so it tells you something. It’s not white men who are doing this. So anyways, that’s my little bite for right now but I do. I think populism’s coming for the pulpit.

Lance: What’s your most recent one with Clarence Thomas? What’s the shirt you’ve got going now?

Dave Harris: Yeah, it’s going to launch tomorrow. It’s a picture, a cartoonish type picture of Justice Clarence Thomas that says I saved more black lives than BLM and it’s true. I want to speak to something that Mercedes just said as well when she’s talking about the percentage of women that have had abortions. For black pastors to not be championing and celebrating the fact that Roe V Wade is overturned, it’s disgusting. Because if you look at the numbers, the black population in the United States is around 13, maybe 14%. Well, if you take out about half of those that are men, then you’re left with maybe 67%. Now if you take out just women of child-bearing years you’re left with maybe 3%.

So, now you’re talking about 3% of the population United States of America is responsible for 50% of all abortions in America. It has been a genocide for black America pushed by the KKK. Well pushed by Robert Sanger.

Mercedes: Yeah.

Dave Harris: Who was an avowed racist that said blacks and Jews were like weeds that need to be exterminated. They just took her name off of the headquarters for Planned Parenthood I think a year or two ago. Because they finally couldn’t deny the facts that she was a racist. That pushed for genocide. So, for black pastors to ignore these facts for their own community to their own community. And I know we’re all for all people but a lot of black pastors have predominantly black congregations for them to not say a word. There’s a fury in that. There’s a holy and righteous anger that I feel in that for the father that he’s saying you know what? This isn’t going to go, this isn’t going to just be overlooked.

I think they’ve stepped outside of if a person can at least for the sake of getting them back in line and hopefully they repent, but I think they’ve stepped outside of the grace to that in the moment.And obviously my hope and goal is that they would all repent and they would all fall in line with God‘s heart. But I don’t think that it’s something that God‘s just going to say, okay, I’m going to let you keep on being a mega pastor and do what you’re doing when you’re ignoring what’s on my heart. I truly don’t.

Mercedes: I agree. I think too and Lance, I’d be interested in your thoughts on this of, if this is happening in your church, I mean, you have to start asking yourself questions. I do feel like Lance, to your point, the wrecking ball, the spirit of political correctness and the wrecking ball to the religious spirit. Lance, what do you think is coming in the church? I mean, are these people who are not hearing this message that they expect the pastor to say? I mean, is it time that they start looking for a more biblically-based church or worldview or should they be trying to reform it from within? I mean, I end up thinking we need unity in order to get anything done like I was reading Acts and when they do, they were all of one mind. We’re all of one heart. And it’s like, do we need to try start unifying around this biblical worldview, this idea of civic engagement. I mean what should people in the pews who are hearing this, what should they be doing or really not hearing what should they be doing?

Lance: And you bring up a great point and here’s where I think this is going. Because the church is in decline in the United States in terms of growth and everybody’s lamenting the fact that the church is hemorrhaging millennials and the evangelicals are, we’re losing the next generation. I’m convinced it’s because the church is political that it’s avoiding political subjects. Here’s the mystery. Under the guise of and I hear it in pulpits all the time. “Well, we’re not going to get involved with politics. We’re going to preach the kingdom”. Now let’s be honest about it here. Come on. You’re avoiding politically sensitive issues because you are political. And it’s not in your political best interest to side with an opinion where you’re lose members and dare I say finances.

So, therefore you’re trying like a good businessman to avoid losing customers by bringing up controversial subjects. However the populist movement to Mercedes Point. The nature of populism. For those of you that haven’t thought about this is when the people rise up against the rulers because the rulers are out of touch with the people. This is what formed the unions that make up 90% of the muscle of the Democrat party. It’s when the management wasn’t dispersing the profits sufficiently to the employees and the employees had to go to some organization in order to negotiate with the owners.

So, the reality is, do you need to have those unions now? No, you don’t but they’re so powerful. The unions now are controlling commerce even to the destruction of business but here’s the point. The pastors now need to recognize, the populist movement feels like the leaders are out of touch. Therefore, Christians in the churches want their leaders to push back against the system. If you are one of those mute pastors that is worried about the political fanatics in your church. I already see them. I’m in chat threads where already the religious leaders are saying, well, what about the Trumpism? Trumpism, they’re just nervous because they’re like the other political pastors who find that Donald Trump is a stumbling block to them, because he elicits negative reactions.

Here’s the truth, the way you build your church is the way you keep your church. And if you built it off of trends and better services and popular messages and good preaching, then you’re going to have to keep doing that and your church wasn’t designed for the rough road you’re about to get on. That means some churches are going to end up downsizing in order to be faithful to the gospel, because your People never heard you preach. This is the way walking in it. You preach something which built your church. And the other hand is those pastors that are going to continue to be lecturing the populist movement condemning the patriot Christians trying to link them to dangerous potential excessive behavior because of Donald Trump.

They are the souls in the body of Christ who are going to be frustrated by the David’s. Because God‘s going to raise up a new generation of awakening, young men and women preachers who are going to take the market share away from the religious community. The only exception being if they’re not pastors but they’re journalists or their social media people. They have built deep moats, because they already have an audience that agrees with them. But the pastors are going to be the first ones to feel the fury of the populist movement saying, we need revolutionary leadership like the church was founded on and like America was founded on.

I’m sorry to go off on a die drive here. I want to get to you Dave in a second. You got us going. This is what you do. You stir up trouble Dave.

Mercedes: In the best way.

Dave Harris: This is truth.

Mercedes: In the best way. Hey, I wanted to point out Lance to your point. We wrote about this in our book, God‘s Chaos Code on page 55. We’ve got George Berner’s research and he pulled people in the congregations. Hey, what do you want your pastor to talk about? Like if your pastor talk about anything, what can you talk about? Top issue, abortion. They want to know Biblical worldview.

Lance: The number one issue we have surveyed with data pastors out there is, they want to know about abortion. They actually wanted to hear a biblical world. They don’t want you to tell them how to vote. Forget the politics. Don’t even attach a candidate’s name to it. Teach the biblical worldview. What’s the second item?

Mercedes: Religious persecution and liberty and then the third is sexual identity.

Lance: My gosh.

Dave Harris: Wow.

Lance: The churches are crying. Forgive us some biblical clarity. We don’t want you to tell us how to vote. Tell us what the Bible says about sexual identity, about gender, about morality, about practices. Tell us about religious persecution, freedom of speech. What when should we be civil disobedient? I just heard something interesting Dave. You could use this that the first biblical act of civil disobedience was when the Egyptians told the midwives to drown all the Jewish children, the Jewish males so that they wouldn’t be multiplying in Egypt.

Mercedes: Wow.

Lance: And it was their civil disobedience that protected Moses so that he could be born and deliver his people later.

Dave Harris: Wow. That’s good.

Lance: First act of civil disobedience. Well, I just got one more thing to say. There are pastors that get this right. Look at John MacArthur. He hates tongues. Hates the gifts of the spirit. He’s got bad theology on a bunch of stuff that as Pentecostals actually know he’s wrong on. Yet John MacArthur is standing there better than the Pentecostals in defying the government when the government tried to shut him down. And who’s in strange bed fellows? He’s with Cheon and another Pentecostal Pastor, the three of them. Two Pentecostals and one fundamentalist refused to bow the knee to bail Newsom and Washington.

And what’s great is MacArthur’s church grew. You know why? He never built it on trendy topics. He’s always been a consistently congruent fundamentalist. And so, he didn’t have to fix anything. His people know where he was the natural next step and they applauded him for it. Cheon didn’t lose a person either. They threatened them with 1000 per member of the church for every day they went to church. Imagine how screwball the laws are when a Christian going to church is fined for going to church and the pastor fined with jail. A prison sentence. Cheon stood it down. He didn’t lose a thing. He grew, you know why? Because he didn’t build his church off of popular trending topics on how to actualize your human prophetic potential.

He built his church on preaching the Bible. So, there will be churches that are going to grow and they’re going to be churches that are going to shrink. Because they’ve been building on the wrong foundation.

Mercedes: That’s so good. Maybe you should do a series on this Lance. Maybe we should take those topics, and you just do it.

Lance: I tell you what, I want one final carry. I got a friend of mine named Mike Hayes. Mike Hayes has the most racially diverse church in America for a mega church. We should get his sermon series and bring them out of the archives and go look at what he did. He dealt with civil rights issues. He dealt with race issues. When Baal M came out, he has 20 different nationalities in his church. We almost saw an altar call where there’s like different African churches, the African nations called up and it was like the church was packed with diverse people groups. All moving in one spirit, one love, one unity, no division.

Interesting church, and I saw him dealing with homosexuality’s teaching through Corinthians and he would have to do courageous stuff. Like at one point he’s talking about the sin of homosexuality and then people are like people are applauding a line. He said he stopped. He said, listen. I love normally I love to hear the amens but I’m going to ask you not to applaud when you hear me say something you like. And I’ll tell you why I’m asking you that. Because I don’t want to come off like one of those chest thumping, intolerant preachers. I want people to hear me if you are a homosexual or if you’re struggling with the issue. I want you to feel comfortable being here. I’m going to tell you the truth but I’m not against you and I’m not celebrating your demise.

I want to talk to you about the things, and I believe this is what millennials mean when they find a lot of our political rhetoric distasteful is they’re wired in a certain way that they want to make it, that safe space doesn’t mean we accommodate the devil. It means that we accommodate the brutal journey people have been on that have had abortions or that struggle with sexuality or gender identity and not make jokes with their expense. I get that part, but now Mike would do. I mean I’d sit on the edge of my chair when he would preach and I say to him it’s like when Hurt Locker the movie came out. I thought that should be his theme song, because I’d watch him go out with a bomb. I mean, I was thinking, ooh, if he clips that wire the wrong way this audience is going to blow up. But he just knew how to clip that wire.

Somehow the point is it requires skill, it requires thoughtfulness. But the truth must be preached with uncompromising courage or the nation’s going to die for lack of knowledge. But while we have freedom let’s run with that knowledge.

Mercedes: Amen.

Carl: So, good.

Lance: Dave Harris, you’re always an inspiration. By the way, you still have yourself, I hope you’re still doing the business you started. You’re famous now for your stand-on courageous issues. Hey, I was there at the meeting when I was so shocked, because you and I were working on building a company for nutritional purposes way back when. We had dream trips in Cabo San Lucas. I’d have 100 entrepreneurs and folks come down and you were one of our key friends and speakers. And I remember we had a prophet that came in once and singled you out and started calling out this destiny like a Martin Luther King, Civil Rights, Father’s Day. I’m thinking that has nothing to do with the business we’re building. I remember the Lord saying, you don’t know everything I’m doing in people’s lives but do you recall that?

Dave Harris: I do. I think that was Julian Adams that was in that in Cabo amazing, powerful world. It worded. It’s actually happened at a couple of your trips, Lance. I know Jeremiah Johnson called me out as well at an event. And again, you brought me there to talk about the supplements that we were building and talking about. He called me up, but yeah it’s been pretty amazing. Your dream trips for anybody that hasn’t been gosh, you’ve got to go. I’m telling you,those are amazing the encounters that you’ll have, the experience that you’ll have. It’ll change your life. Those changed my life and the prophetic words that I received there I’m living in them now. It’s amazing, it’s unreal. But Jennifer and I kind of look at each other and pinch ourselves sometimes and we think about those dream trips. I remember for sure.

Lance: I think we’ll have to have a dream trip reunion and by the way, speaking of dream trips, I am still using those products that we started years ago and I’m using the dream product. I take it before I go to bed at night. I used to, because it was flying and traveling a lot, I would have to take. I would take Amen so that I could reset my clock and then I became more dependent on Ambient till I was told Ambien was such a dangerous psycho drug. And I thought what the heck. I don’t want to be like Elvis. But so, I stopped taking that but I was take the holistic dream and we still have that dream product today, don’t we David?

Dave Harris: Absolutely. I use to take dream every single night. It helps relax your mind. It relaxes your muscles. It gets you ready to go to sleep. So, I take it every night and I’ve got a watch that tells me my sleep. It tracks my sleep. I get like sometimes two hours of rim sleep and it’s not like you can’t wake up need to wake up. I’ll wake up if I have to use a restroom or something but soon as I lay my head back down, I’m right back to sleep. So, I think right now more than ever, we all need to get good rest and that’s when our body recharges and God can speak to us. He does all the time through our dreams and I don’t know about you Lance, but it enhances my dreams as well. So, we actually do still have dream. I take it every night and that product and revive, our whole food plant-based multi-mineral multivitamin. They’re actually both on buy one get one free right now because we’re overstocked. So, we will throw the code Lance up there if any of your audience wants to go.

Lance: You guys got to do it.

Dave Harris: “Uncorkedliving.com”. Uncorkedliving.com” and use that code Lance. Yup, there’s Revive. And I’ve gotten that every day too.

Lance: So, Revive, I’m a sanctified Elvis now. I wake up with Revive and I go to bed with dreams. So, I love the names too. Revive and Dream. It’s a great, listen guys. I’m serious about this. Well, Annabelle and I fight over the dream at the end of the day, because she has a bottle by her bed and I have mine and if mine goes out I go over to hers and try to sneak it out but she wakes up as yours the bottle rattling. But let’s do that again. “Uncorkedliving.com/Lance” and then these guys are joking because it’s buy one, get one free, which is acronym is BOGO. I didn’t know what BOGO was? They had to explain it to me buy one get one free, but you can do that with Dream. Is that true, you can do it with Dream and we revive right now?

Dave Harris: Yeah, Dream and Revive. Yeah. Uncorkedwellness.com. You don’t have to put slash Lance. Just use the code Lance. We’ll make your order. Use the promo code Lance, and we’ll know that they heard it from you and they’ll get that buy one get one free for Dream or for Revive.

Lance: Right. You don’t need the slash. That’s right. You’re like Mike Lindell. You got your own site going and just use the name Lance there. I love that. I love you Dave. We always love to see you and we look forward to seeing you back again and maybe we’ll get together. Maybe we’ll have a really cool dream trip getaway and go back to the resorts Cabo San Lucas now that we can fly in without having to be have something stuck up our nose to test us.

Carl: Maybe we’ll switch it up instead of being flying,

Dave Harris: Love it Lance, love with you my brother. I love you. Mercedes, Carl, all you guys. You are amazing. Thank you for having me on and yeah we’ll see you soon brother.

Lance: God bless you. Great guy. Dave Harris. Got to love it. What does the president say? Let’s have the Mr. President, do you got anything else to say before we go out the air?

Trump Voice: For everyone, new regulation, two old regulations must be eliminated.

Lance: As the businessman said, oh back in the day, back in the day, we were in an economic collapse. When we had energy, we weren’t talking about food disruptions and wars and race wars and bleeding borders and fentanyl deaths. Perhaps, sanity is coming back to America like the prodigal son. In Luke 17, He came to himself. Maybe America will suffer enough to come to its senses and realize, this isn’t the kind of politics you really want. But it’s going to take really a breakthrough in America. We’ll be back again on the next broadcast. You don’t want to miss any one of these because every one of them has something in it that can change your life. It’s Lance Wallnau, Mercedes Sparks and Carl Wallnau saying by–bye.

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