Why Mario Murillo Canceled His New York Revival

Lance: Don’t you just love being behind the scenes on a juicy story? You know what I’m talking about? Some of you know, what’s going on with this? What’s going on with that? Well, I got a little behind the scenes, juicy story for you. My friend Mario Murillo comes out of this 12,000 people in Tulsa. Boom. Meeting 10,000 night before. Boom. Goes out to Pasadena. Boom. And then I read this blog. We had 900 pastors at a luncheon up in Batavia, New York, the stomping grounds of Charles Finney and they’re preparing for a mighty move of God but something happened. 

Pastors are, we’re not in agreement with him mentioning Trump once or twice in a positive light. How odd is that and what does that tell you about the nature of the coming move of God? I had to go right to him. I asked him to rearrange his schedule to give you an exclusive personal update about this move of God. I believe it is a move, not meetings but a movement and what the future holds. You don’t want to miss this one.

There is a move of God that’s already begun. I have my notes here from listening to Mario Murillo. We had the joy of being able to team up with a big arena that he had rented out for two nights and we had 10,000 for Flash Point and then I was wondering well, how many will come the second, night. We found we had 12,000 for Mario’s miracle meeting, I suppose you could call it, evangelism meeting. But the altars were packed so much so that we couldn’t even get people to the front and that was the first night.

Now, I flew out to Pasadena the next day and I felt that revival. I haven’t felt this in a long time. I felt the momentum of a move of God was on me in Pasadena and I was kind of like in a sense queuing up the daytime session for Mario coming in to minister. And debriefing with him afterwards and saying I do think the move has begun. And I believe it’s a movement that’s different than previous movements. And we have to analyze that. And then as I’m getting home getting back in my routine here in Dallas Texas. And Mario, I’m at a blog actually I got a notification from someone who was going to be going to Upstate New York. And they said, well the meeting has been cancelled because of some resistance it was running to.

So, right away I went to Mario’s blog and I read this fascinating real life and this is what makes great reality TV actually. Something’s happening right now where there’s already push back and challenges on a move of God and that just tells me we’re right on track. So, let me bring Mario Murillo in and Mario Welcome. So, good to see you again. I’m familiar with that backdrop. You’re familiar with mine. We do Flash Point. Instead of Fab Four. We’ll do a dynamic duo. How’s that?

Mario: That’s it. That’s what we are.

Lance: Alright. So, give us the update on what’s happening because so many people are following with great interest now. This what is becoming I believe the beginning of a movement.

Mario: Yes, right now Lance there are 20 cities America as a direct result of Tulsa. 20 cities that are asking us to come to Speedways, stadiums, and arenas and tent sites and they say you need to come. We’re ready for you. We’ve got an army. We got thousands that want to do it and one group that’s already buying 5,000 chairs in anticipation. So, it’s a moment that of extremes. And what happened in New York is it wasn’t the resistance that stopped us. It was the silence of those who claimed to be a part of the army. And I’m not even going to attack them or condemn them. I think they were hit by something that maybe they weren’t prepared for.

We had the most fiery pastor’s brunch ever back in April. And it was amazing their reaction but there was a strange thing that happened and it’s in the volunteers. It’s a metric that we use. The streets in Batavia, Buffalo, and Rochester are open to the gospel. Hundreds of people want Christ. Our workers found out that the fish were practically jumping in the boat. That wasn’t our issue. Jesus defined the issue when he said the harvest is great and the labors are few. Pray the lord of the harvest that he will send labors and that prayer is a prayer that we prayed vehemently but here’s what happened.

A group of ministers in that region have a very strange view of Trump and the Democrat Party. They have a strange view of what unity is, of what revival is, and I think that they kind of muzzled the army a little bit. So, we ended up with instead of like we had in Hanford 1,400 volunteers. We less than 300 and we were going to have a tent that could handle over 3,000. And who is going to pray for him? How many ushers were we going to have? How are we going to handle this massive infrastructure? And it became very clear that we were going to end up in a situation that was really not sustainable. And so, today I want to deal with the attitude that was there. And I want to tell you why I feel that God told me to lay the axe to the root. But that essentially is what happened.

Lance: So just for future cities sake. Because many of us don’t understand the mechanics and really the engineering of what you do. But you need a certain ratio of workers. And what do these workers do? These volunteers are actually an extension of the ministry team. So, what are they doing?

Mario: Well, we feel that it is important to get into the city, into the stores, the schools, the neighborhoods go door to door. We’re not letting the Jehovah’s Witness stop from what we know will work for the Christians. And the misery. This is what everyone is missing right now. How miserable Americans are. They’re absolutely miserable. Filled with anxiety and worry. Depression and despair. We go to their doors. We offer them food and things for their house. And then we pray for them. And they’re weeping. Everywhere we go they’re weeping. But it’s so difficult to explain to a church that I think has been told that this is the way it is. Our church has been 50 members, 100 members for 20 years. They can’t fathom that the harvest is that ripe and it is.

And so, we did everything in our power and then I began to weigh the exhaustion of our workers who were out on the streets and looking for the reinforcements that never arrived. And it was a very painful and heart-rending decision.

Lance: Okay, so these workers that are people are actually going out and evangelizing and kind of like Jesus sent them two by two into every city he was about to go into. You’re looking for this army of individuals and they probably have a function also in the meetings themselves. So, these are the people that are when you have an altar call and you have 300 to 500 people, are these volunteers the same ones that are working with the harvest there too?

Mario: Yeah, and our ratio is between 5 to 10 to 1 now, right now. Even when we have several hundred volunteers. We can have altar calls of 800 to 1,200 and they’re up there weeping and they want God and they’re getting saved. But see the workers also go out into the neighborhoods like I said. We had an incident in Hanford where one of our workers went to a department store to buy some things they needed. And they went up to the checkout counter and the lady was checking them out and he looked at her Jesus loves you. She fell on the counter Sabic and she was down there for he said approximately a minute and a half and couldn’t get up off that counter. And finally, she gets up and just says how desperate she was to know God and she needed help for her family. That’s the way it is.

So, we have this everywhere we go and it’s true in Batavia, Rochester, Buffalo. But the army didn’t show up. It was like, where are you? And it was very devastating and we know why because ministers spoke out against us and it had to do with the fact that I mentioned that I support Trump. So, this became an issue and they said you can’t do that. Well, I don’t talk about Trump a lot, they do. They talk about him all the time. Found out that the rule was, it isn’t that I can’t talk about Trump it’s that I can’t say anything nice. It’s very strange, never encountered it to that degree. But the real problem was the army not showing up.

Lance: And so, if the pastors are the primary vehicle that you’re working through and you had like 900 at Pastor’s Lunch, we were celebrating that. But if they, and this is I hate to say it but this is the political spirit that exist in the church that the leaders have their own hierarchies of influence. Brothers so and so and pastors so and so they’ve got their network of pastors. And if they decide that they’re not going to, they don’t like the political overtone. They want just revival.In other words, they want John the Baptist to preach, forgiveness of sins and repentance, but don’t mention Herod and don’t mention taxes. Which is by the way two sermons. We only have three sermon subjects he talked about and had to do with soldiers being content with wages and about taxes and about Herod.

We only have a couple of subjects and it was all dealing with the affairs what was going on at that time and they were in response to the questions the people had.

Mario: Yeah.

Lance: We’re just following the Elijah spirit which was on John the Baptist to prepare the way of the Lord. But the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin, they actually didn’t approve of the baptism. If you remember, the clergy at that time, they were like going out to observe it and report on it but they didn’t embrace it and Jesus set them up that way. He said, was John the Baptist from heaven or from men. And he knew that the clergy had a problem with the move of God. So, it’s a weird thing in a way. We’re doing the right thing. We’re going to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. We’re going to the church first. I always wondered why it is that you seem to my mind obsessed so much with pastors. But I hear you preach and you talk about pastors and I thought why is he talking about pastor, is as though your burden is the pastors are the gatekeepers to the harvest and they as you’re seeing now in New York. If the pastors aren’t in a unity with what God‘s doing, they actually can the gate to the harvest, can’t they?

Mario: Yeah, and I was ready to go. I’m a fighter. I started preaching on the streets. I never quit. Won’t back down. If I know God told me to do something, I don’t care what opposition I face. This was a clear case of a silence that was induced by a culture and it’s a very strange one because they talk about revival, revival, revival. And I was reminded of the verses in the Bible where Jesus said, you decorate the tombs of the prophets and even acknowledge that it was your ancestors who killed them. It’s almost like they virtue signal saying we’re going to decorate their graves. Well, you talk about Charles Finney up in Western New York. You’re going to get a hearing.

But I promise you, I knew Charles Finney’s teaching. I knew the Presbyterians hated his guts back then. And I know that Charles Finney coming into that region right now would be a lot less friendly than I am and they would not accept him. They would not. And the funny thing is they said we want revival. They use revival terminology all the time, the people I’m referencing. But last October 3rd through the 6th in the rain 4,000 people came out. They repented of their sins. They were healed in their bodies. They heard messages that were not political but were entirely focused on healing and salvation. And they didn’t accept it.

The very thing they were praying for, they saw it with their own eyes and they didn’t accept it. And to the shame of the army who I love dearly, you shouldn’t listen to them. You shouldn’t have let them stop you. You shouldn’t be supporting. There’re some churches in America that claim to be born again. They’re taking serious money from the Democratic Party. They’re being funded and so they come into this crisis where, do I go with the word of God and soul winning, or do I stand with what’s feeding me and keeping my church doors open? It’s a sad commentary and so I’ve never said anything about this.

This is like unlike the this is my Rosa Park moment where I’ve had enough and I had to in this one instance. Take a stand and say no we’re not coming. Because you, the army of God need to stand up and get upset with this and decide that I’m going to support churches preach the Bible,I’m going to support churches that think. The Democratic Party in New York just passed the law of the most barbaric, heinous law that a child could be born alive from an abortion and laid on a table still connected with its umbilical cord and the mother is then asked by the doctor. Do you want us to kill it or not?

In what society, and one of the things that was said about me is this. The Democrat that were in the audience when you called out the Democrat Party were offended that you were causing division. And I’m sitting there going, you’re a Christian and a Democrat, what do they have to do now that they have human sacrifice. They’re a vowed atheist, they’re clinically connected to the destruction of the American church and you still call yourself a Democrat. And then I’m offensive in causing division. Well, I think there’s a movement afoot. We saw it in Tulsa. We’re seeing it right now. They’re screaming for us to come to these cities and be saved. They don’t care about that; they don’t care about any of that. And I only call it out because it’s evil. That’s the only reason I call it out. Not because it’s Democrat or Republic, but because it’s evil.

Lance: I’ve been doing a little bit of research on the Tea Party Movement because the Tea Party Movement really was a shakeup of the political system that really prepared a populist base for Donald Trump to step into.

Mario: Right.

Lance: And I remember Rush Limbaugh saying to his audience. He said, you think that Donald Trump created this movement. He said, you don’t understand it. He said, I’ve been working with this audience before Trump joined the parade. 25 years. He said, it’s the movement that found a spokesman that finally they resonated with. This is someone who will stick it to the establishment Republicans as well as the dysfunctional Democrats because he’s a populist who basically took over the Republican Party. The same way Elon Musk is a free speech billionaire who took over Twitter.

Mario: Yeah.

Lance: And so, more power to him when God raises Osiris wherever they are. I don’t care if they’re Pentecostal or not. That’s where Christians miss it. That guy’s being used by God.

Mario: That’s right.

Lance: So, what I see now is the political principality in New York has control over the organized church. Bam, that’s the problem. The political prince has control over the church but what will happen out of this if we could go there. Is, I think that when Whitfield did the New England Awakenings. when Finney did his revivals, he created a whole realignment of churches. People missed this. They call them the old lights and the new lights. And what happened was the old school ministry lined up against the revival but Finney had a number of pastors that lined up with the revival who squared off with them.

We don’t look at history this way but he was a reformer of the church and then he ended up becoming congregational as a congregational ordained. Because the Presbyterians were so frustrated with him. He went with the congress, but he never changed his revival or his theology. He just found an alignment that accommodated the move of God and I think that’s what we’re going to start to see happen. We don’t want to happen. I could see your heart. You were so excited about 900 pastors.

It’s almost like you wanted to believe that you would have unity, so that they would allow you to have the freedom to John the Baptist a couple of talking points and go with the move of God but you can’t even do that. You’ve got to be neutered and say what they want you to say for God to do what they want God to do. I don’t think you’re the kind of God that’s going to cooperate.

Mario: No and there is one thing I want mentioned right away and that is Paul and Lee Doyle who lead the Cornerstone Church in Batavia. That is a church where the fire of God is falling and a man of God is in the pulpit saying it like it is. And we are deeply committed to them as a couple and to a growing congregation that is actually increased tenfold since we went there in October. So, that’s something I want to say. That’s a bright light in that situation. And I do believe that God‘s going to move. There was a Bible College up there that is famous for revival. And one of their leaders invited me to come and speak to the students. But then suddenly there was an undercurrent of wokeism and Trump came up again. And so, the president of that college calls me up and says you can’t speak at our college after all because of all the feedback I’m getting.

Well, I found out that one of the board members who was the chief individual kind of foaming me not to be there is a Democrat. Spirit filled Christian who’s a Democrat. And so, they turn around and then they go, well, you’re political. It isn’t that they don’t want politics. They just want their politics. That’s what they want.

Lance: Right. And I suppose some of this is going to be an educational process, because the politician is the top of the pyramid so to speak. But beneath that are the policies. And beneath that are the platforms that are based on certain principles. If we were to take the Democratic Party platform and principles, forget about the personalities and just go there and line it up with what Republicans have and most people miss this. David Barton and Tony Perkins were two guys that help shape the platform for 2016 for Trump. I never put up. I only wrote one book at that point. I put the platform in when I found out the two Christians were asked to shape it. And I realized that the substructure of what the party’s policies are going to be is based on their plank or their platform. Every Democrat and every Republican who says they follow Jesus should go under the tip of the iceberg to see what’s at the root of the tree, because the root produces the fruit.

If you don’t like lawlessness, gender dysphoria, if you don’t like open borders and a great depression. If you don’t like international military humiliation, environmentalism, forced vaccination, and surveillance by the government, you might want to go down below the branches to see what Jesus cursed at the root. Going out of Jerusalem was manifest in the fruit a day later.We need to go to the root and the axe is being laid to the root of the tree in this move of Mario Murillo, then God‘s exposing stuff. I think the pastors are embarrassed, because they haven’t been faithful to expose stuff that’s coming out in this awakening.

Mario: In every city that we are a part of, there are so many pastors who are on fire for God and they’re willing to lay down their own financial emotional security for the sake of revival. So, I’m a friend of the pastors but I am deeply hurt by the fact of the insecurity and the fear mongering and the grasping to hold on to control. Which is so, it maybe in a prior era that would be allowable but we have a nation on the brink and God is rising up. There is a massive movement that is already been born. We saw it in Tulsa. It’s spreading everywhere. What God is doing right now in Colorado Springs where we’re going to be there July 10th through the thirteenth And on June 4th, we’re getting all the leaders from the Colorado Springs area together.

But let me tell you something. They’re already on fire. They’re already chomping at the bit to hit the streets and do the work. That is such a clear contrast. And it’s an amazing moment. Colorado Springs is going to feel a powerful outpouring of the spirit.

Lance: Wow. Mario, I have some data from George Barna and I want to go back to where you’re going next and conclude on that note. Because I’m going to be meeting with you and your team and I really feel like we’re going to be aligning ourselves, which is why I wanted to put this on my own platform here and let people know what we’re thinking about. Barna did research data research on what people want to know. Now, I think we ought to include this in our pastor’s lunches in the future.

Mario: Yes.

Lance: And here’s what the survey says of what the congregation wants. They want, this is 74, 84, 94% said they really do want to understand the theology. They don’t want to be told what to believe. They want to understand why they believe it. They know abortion’s bad but give us the argument of the spirit. What is the rationale in the Bible? The worldview in the Bible that supports that conclusion. 94%. They want to know about religious liberty about what to do if it’s persecuted. What the boundaries are of our freedom and when is civil disobedience justified, get this. This is 65, 75, 85, 92% of the people in the congregation say they wish they heard something about this. Sexual identity, 60% extremely important, 27% very important. That’s 87% saying it’s really important or extremely important that we get this transgender and LGBTR argument.

What are we actually saying? We’re not angry at people. We don’t hate them but we need to know what is the plumb line of revelation on this subject. They want to know about the role of government. 46% said, it’s extremely important. 33% say it’s very important. And what I’m saying is the subjects that they’re afraid to talk about. You’ve got 80 to 95% of the people in the pews surveyed said I wish they would talk about it because I just like to know what the Bible teaches.

Mario: I want to comment on that. You know that Jordan Peterson was on with Joe Rogan and there was a moment there that nobody could have expected when Jordan Peterson said, I’ve been reading the Bible. Okay, let me comment on that. Anyone watching that is a preacher that is offended by the word of God feels it needs to be diluted and that they’re off limit subjects and that they have to carefully cherry pick specific easy verses that the modern mind can adjust. That’s an insult to the modern mind by the way.

So, what happened is Rogan said, what do you think how important you think the Bible is? How do how important is it as a book? And he looked at Rogan and said it is not a book. It is the book. And he began in terms of a man that had been run over by a Mack truck to describe the impact that the word of God was having on him. We’ve lost sight the fact. That’s why if you listen to me in the tent, it’s peppered with verses. I have verses all through my sermons. Because the lost want to hear the verses of the Bible. They want to hear what the Bible says. And shame on anyone that believes this lie. That the modern mind is offended. The evil mind is offended,but not the modern mind. And it is important for us to get back to it. Miracles come when Scripture is quoted.

When contextual scripture is provided to an audience, it is absolutely shocking what happens to them. I can’t believe that we have put our worst foot forward and kept on the shelf the greatest weapon that we have, the anointed word of God.

Lance: And my contention is I’m going back Mario and reading this, and then it never occurred to me that John the Baptist comes with the Spirit of Elijah. That’s Luke chapter 1. It just says,and the spirit of Elijah and power of Elijah will rest upon him and he’s anointed to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children. You and Hank and I talk about the attack on children that’s mobilizing the push back across. This is a populist issue and the church is kind of like I guess mingled in there, but I’m telling you, it’s the moms and dads of America are responding to this turning the hearts back to their children. And secondly, turning the disobedient to the wisdom of the just. Which means that there is a persuasion going on regarding the right way of thinking.

It’s the wisdom of the just. It isn’t just salvation because then when I turned over to Luke chapter 3, the crowds are questioning John the Baptist. Saying, what are we supposed to do? The tax collectors want to know how does this apply to me? The soldiersl, this is what you would say is the populous movement. It’s the working class, it’s the military people, and it’s the populous crowd. And the amazing thing is John is anointed to preach, get this. He’s anointed to preach to turn Israel back to the Lord, so that he could preach repentance from sin and forgiveness. I never saw the evangelism anointing working with the Elijah anointing and dealing with the issues of the time but that’s the Move that precedes the coming of Jesus.

Mario: Yes.

Lance: Jesus came right after that.

Mario: Yeah, and here’s, the ironic part for me. The idea that a minister would not get in a pulpit and address the evil of his day in whatever form it took. The man of God, the woman of God gets in the pulpit and said, I don’t care what camouflage you’re wearing. I don’t care how you’ve rebranded yourself. You call it a new norm and the new normal is nothing but the old abnormal and I know it and I’m cutting through it. Go back and watch the preaching of Billy Graham. He laid the acts to the root of communism like few men have ever done. His vibrant, powerful, fiery gestures with his hands standing there talking about this threat of atheism and there was no holes bar.

The idea that a minister wouldn’t do that is a new I idea. It’s not an old idea. It was done by Spurgeon. It was done by Billy Sunday. It was done by John Wesley. They all did it and we are the first crop of muzzled preachers that have believed that we don’t have a right to sit at the table of influence. When you talk about 7 Mountains of influence, we think of it as influence in a way that we need to rethink. Look at how Elon Musk has just bought Twitter and the screaming and yelling and the double standard that is just dying. And it’s amazing to me that you look at it he got that influence not by being nice he didn’t get that influence by being agreeable or creating a palatable approach and likewise with us.

I’m finding that we cannot find room for people to sit in a tent where the truth is unapologetically presented. The people like it because it sets them free. God likes it by demonstrating signs and wonders. It’s Acts 14:3 where it says and God proved that their message was from him by giving them power to work miracles. So, this is an hour of opportunity. I want to say to the army up there.   In Western New York, why are you abandoned that? No, I didn’t. Hey Mario, we could have done this. And I sure I wish I’d had known sooner. By your open and loud cries. But you still have time army of God. You still have a chance to speak up and make something happen in your region. Just don’t hold back and don’t fear the Pharisees.

Lance: Well, that’s a powerful statement. I’m thinking we might be in an Acts. I guess it might be close to like where was it? Chapter 13, where Paul and Barnabas were ministering and the crowd was populous movement. The people were enjoying it, but the rulers of the synagogue that they were really trying to work with spoke evil of what was going on and even blasphemed what was happening. Paul made an interesting statement and yeah, it is in Acts 13. The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of the lord. All of Batavia, all of Rochester, they all came out. But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting things spoken by Paul and were blaspheming.

Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, it was appropriate that the Word of God be spoken to you first. But since you’re rejecting this and you’re judging yourself unworthy of this life, behold, we’re going to go to that Gentiles over there and so the Lord’s commanded us. I placed you as a light for the Gentiles. When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced glorifying the Word of God and as many as were appointed to eternal life believe. But the Jews incited devout women of prominence and leading men of the city and instigated a persecution to drive them out of their territory. Paul and Barnabas shook off their feet in the protest and were continually filled with joy in the Holy Spirit and went to the next city.

I think the biblical pattern we’re looking at is ancient as the Old Testament and the New Testament combined. It’s the Lord comes in. It produces a moment of decision based on alignment. And if you’re not in alignment with what God‘s doing, you actually oppose it and you end up rejecting yourself from participating and God says, I went to you. Now, I’m going to, the harvest is still there. It’s just you’re not going to be the ones that are going to be hauling in the fish.

Mario: Right.

Lance: And they went ahead and course there’s still going to be persecution and it’s going to be raised up I think out of the devout women of prominence and leading men. So, it’s like the elites,you’ll see the media and a business guy and a leading pulpit and they’ll come out and they’ll do a special on you exposing you and you’re this, you’re that. But nevertheless, God‘s got his harvest the workers are left there to go work it and you go to the next city. This could very well be the pattern of Testament Breakthrough in America.

Mario: Yep. I want to add something to this. I don’t know how much time I’ve got left. I don’t know. Every day to me is a gift. And every day I have to make a painful decision. How can I do the most good in the least amount of time? You and I both know that people write us and email us and invite us to things. And you get the feeling from their side that we have all the time in the world. Come and do our conference because you got time to do this. Come and go over here and this for us. You got plenty of time, and we have to choose our moves exceedingly carefully with surgical accuracy. I got to know where I belong, where I should be preaching and right now, I haven’t got one iota of time to persuade a reluctant army. I’ve got to go where they’re ready and the harvest is ripe and the workers are available.

Lance: Yeah, and that reminds me of the Finney and his of revival lectures. He had a chapter called The Necessity of Effect & Union. He said the two things that he needed, he had invitations as you do and he said the two things he looked for was evidence of the spirit of prayer which in that period of time really was a revival. There was a spirit of prayer. I think you know what that’s like and I do.

Mario: Yeah.

Lance: But there’s an atmosphere where people are, there’s a contagion of yearning wrestling expectation and kind of an agonize fervency for something to happen. And he sent his teams ahead to scout out like spies to see is the spirit of prayer there or do we have to bring it with us.Secondly, how united are the clergy for what this really is? Do they understand what they’re asking for?

Mario: Yeah.

Lance: And if they could see that the clergy were united for what God was sending and the people were in prayer and the atmosphere was sufficiently had the voltage. Then Finney took that as two signs that it goes to the next level of, where do we go and how do we schedule. I think you said something to me about Billy Graham wasn’t it a great event or an interview that he said there were two things he would do differently. Share that with the audience before we close out, because that had an impact on me and I came home and shared it with the team.

Mario: Okay, the first thing that Billy Graham said is that if I had it to do over, he’s 94 when he said this. He said, I would have study more. And I feel that preparation is the key. I have to be prepared. And he said, I would have studied more. And then the second thing he said, I would have done less conferences. Hardly any conferences and I would have done all crusades. I would have added more crusades. And I truly feel that. To speak to Phineas and just one quick comment. I think that there is a deception between the word unity and agreement. We look at the word unity and that word is thrown a lot around in the state of New York among ministers. Unity, unity, unity.

But what they don’t understand is what they’re saying is let’s reduce our distinctives to the degree where we are not ever rocking the boat. Agreement is different. Agreement is born out of urgency saying you know what? Our differences is not are not nearly as important as the threat. And when Peter prayed for signs and wonders he said, behold the threat. So, I’m sitting here thinking whatever we don’t agree with is really unimportant if you look at what we do agree. We do agree that America is going under. We do agree that our children are threatened.

So, until you as a minister look me in the eye and reflect that urgency. I’m not sure I want to work with you. Because you’ve to live with a dulled sense of social conscience and urgency and it’s shown in your deliberate actions to maintain a system or a methodology that isn’t working. I’m ready for war. I’m ready to confront the enemy and I really believe that urgency is what causes the spirit of prayer and what causes a cohesive. With unity, you get coffee clutch ministers talking friendly to each other. With agreement, you get people joining forces against the common enemy and that’s what we need.

Lance: I love that. So, if we were to update this for our era, we say that we’re not looking for unity. We’re looking for agreement. Do you know what we preach? Do you know what we believe? Do you know where we draw the line? Because Finney drew the line even up. He started the abolitionist movement and then clipped it because he said, you got to be careful. Here’s a weird thing. ‘Don’t get so carried away with the fervor of the subject that you’re messing up by revival.’ So, then there’s the balance for you and me too.

Mario: Right.

Lance: Which is I do want you. 100% invested in the abolitionist movement to save America. But I don’t want you stumbling over the move of God and messing it up, because of your zeal for the political battle. So, we know where that line is.

Mario: Yes, we do.

Lance: And the other thing is the spirit of prayer is really the urgency. I think that’s I picked that up from you. It’s agreement where unity was with Finney. It’s urgency where the spirit of prayer was, because if you have urgency, you’ve got the appropriate disposition of prayer. It’s that we must have this now. And to your point, I mean, I’m looking at invitations I’ve gotten and itswhich is why I want to meet with you and talk about what God is saying. Because I don’t want to fill the calendar with men’s retreats and pastor’s retreats and some of my favorite churches doing a special conference.

I mean, I felt the conviction when you said that something different is happening and nobody’s doing it, Mario. I mean, what really has to happen is, I mean, I’ll take the responsibility for this part but we have 2,000 people say, I not only want to see them filled with the Holy Ghost and planted in the right church. I actually want to recruit them for the school reformation, for the reformation in the communities. I’m a reformer. I want to see lead to reformation so it just wasn’t that great while the government shuts us down. I want to be able to push back on the government shutting us down. And so, that’s going to require the mobilization of the masses.

Mario: I want to say one thing about a young lady that was in our tent in Hanford, because I want people to understand what’s going on. She came in dressed as a man in a lesbian relationship. She might have been 20 years old. Totally dressed like a man. And when she came into that tent, the power of God and the love of God began to break down her defenses until she experienced a finny revival type conversion. Conviction, broken, cleansed and delivered. Went through a deliverance.

She immediately joined our team to work the streets. It wasn’t okay now you go home and start get some follow up. She was activated instantly. I didn’t see her for several months. But when I did, she was just a charming young lady. Long hair, everything soft and transformative about her. That’s what we’re talking about right there. That’s what this is all about.

Lance: I love it. Mario, how can people stay in touch with you and get in touch with you and know where you’re going next? Where I’m probably going to end up going next when you go there. So, where is that?

Mario: It’s Colorado Springs on July 10th through the 13th. They can go to “Mariomurillo.org”,and be connected to everything we’re doing right now.

Lance: July 10th through the 13th, Colorado Springs. Father, we pray that the spirit of awakening is going to come into our loins that you’re going to speak to us and direct our steps and that you will send your angels to guide us to the way the net gets formed for the harvest. A movement Lord that will shift the cultural landscape and alter the schedule of what’s happening in America lord like Billy Graham warned that the nation was hanging in the balance of judgement. I pray that the fear of God and the urgency of the hour will come upon the whole country.

I pray for Mario Murillo to have that expanded platform just as Billy Graham had like in Madison Square Garden. That the nation will be arrested in its course and its direction, and we’ll be turning to God in Jesus name. Amen.

Mario: Amen.

Lance: Alright, my brother I look forward to talking to you more next time.

Mario: God bless you.

Lance: We’re on. Bye–bye.

Mario: Bye.

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